My point was that you have players many of us would be delighted to watch every week. You are top of the league with one game to go and have some of the best players in the league.

Agreed.... Lions led by a Donkey.

The stage was set beautifully to win a pot on our our ground against one of the poorer Wigan sides in memory and we blew it.

We give Hemmings all the ammunition he needs on the choking front.

A couple of dubious video ref decisions this weekend mean it's all wide open next week. Almost like Sky didn't want the shield sewn up with a week to go. Hmmm. But I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Two teams knocked the fook out of each other tonight which tells me otherwise. I just don't see how we can't close games down when we're seemingly comfortable. I haven't seen a team as rattled as Wigan midway through that second half. There is NO WAY they should have won. Yet we seem to keep opening doors for teams when we should be nailing the friggers shut!

To those saying we're still top with a week to go:
There's no way we should be having to pull our tripe out for that hubcap next week while sky watch on like giddy Roman emperors. We should be sending the kids and enjoying a well earned rest. Scandalous we've played ourselves into this position.

No excuses for the last twenty minutes the game was there just a little guile needed, but no it was Wigan showing how it's done. Well at least I got to see some good wing play if only we had a manager who could recognise a true wingers worth.
In truth with all that space at times we struggled to move the ball about, mainly kicks, following the same path and not enough variation, plenty of effort most of the time but something is missing, not been this disappointed for a while.

We played really well until we lost Currie and the momentum changed with those players not on the pitch, so up until the last 20 we did play well.
We were totally in control in the first half, even after given Wigan a try and pigy backing them in the first 10. It comes down to how you define playing well?
For me we played well and fell victim of some naivety. And not played badly/average and were not good enough.

St. Helens 2014?

How often do we see a team get on a roll, and run in points at the end of games? How often does a team go down to 12 men yet it seems to be a catalyst to them turning it around? Some on here seem to think we've some kind of Devine right to win: what I saw tonight was hardly anything to blow the mind. It was a good game of RL I thought, but it's also something people who watch the game regularly, as I'm sure a lot on here do, will have seen plenty of times before, and will see again.

Sure it's disappointing, sure we should have won. But I just don't see this as terminal, either for the LLS or the GF.

Maybe watching us for a long time has mellowed me-I enjoy when we win, I'm disappointed when we lose. But it makes me smile the dramatic swings we get from fans, literally in the space of 20 minutes: in some people's eyes we went from being GF dead certs to dead beats. My view hasn't changed: we're one of 4 teams in with a very equal chance of winning the GF. There will be years to come when we'll crave to be in this position. Maybe it's just me, but I see that as reason to be positive.

I'll shut up now and let the doom and gloom merchants wallow.

Tend to agree now as I feel and maybe rightly that TS put all his eggs in one basket tonight, even so I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we have enough to win the GF after tonight.

(I'm a big fan of Penny and would rather a backline of Penny, Atkins, Evans, Russell in the 3/4), but Russell was crucial in playing a part in the bombardment of attack behind the Wigan markers, making Wigan's big pack move. It's all ifs and buts but tactically Russell was a bigger asset in the game plan than Penny. From tonight's play, I can't see where Penny would have made a difference as a winger finishing. The same goes for if we had Charnley on our wing instead of Russell and Evans- it would have made no difference.

By bottling it, I mean making stupid mistakes and panicking, when under pressure in big games. Silly ball steals, wrong attacking options, passing into touch etc. When Charnley scored that one where he managed to get 10 meters closer to the sticks, the sense of panic was palpable.

So realistically we are looking at a 3rd place finish and Wigan away in the semis.