The thing is Ron you go out your way to pan Wigan, so much so that no one takes your opinions on anything wigan related seriously anymore.

I support Wire, i grew up in a Wigan area in the 80's and had to listen to their cack constantly and there is nothing better than seeing Wigan struggle, but at the same time no one is going to think bad of you if you praise Wigan, no one is going to say

"he thinks Sam Tomkins is a great player he can't be a Wire supporter if he thinks that"

Sam Tomkins, love him or hate him is a very good player, he wouldn't make the Oz squad because Slater is better than him but not much better, Tomkins would probably be 3rd choice.

Any other team he's 1st choice, he's better than Lance Hohaia in the Kiwi squad.

3rd choice...... Slater, Hayne and Boyd are all definately better, nevermind the likes of Dugan, Minichello, Hoffman and Barber.

How you can say Tomkins would be 3rd choice is strange, considering he has never performed at International level, was shut down in the WCC and plays in a second rate league.

Tomkins 1st part of this season was just a good player, as the season has gone on his performances have jumped up a level which took me by surprise. His comparison to Myler was down to him playing in the halfs which he doesn't do anymore, hence Rouges comparing him to Myler being a mute point.

Classic Tomkins

Yed come on everytime he does something special he's ripped on this board by the usual numptys like Ron

Come Oct-Nov you will all be shouting for him and backing him up

You read all the posts on this thread?

Using your logic King, I won't be saying a word about Sam during this years 4 nations, or any future tournaments against the aussies and kiwis.

Yes but with some peoples praise he's still getting snide comments chucked at him

Oh you will be but on the other side as the comments you make now

Well there's no denying he's a sh*thouse, even Wigan fans acknowledge that (same as Briers can be), no doubting his rugby talent though.

Yeah he can be at times all the best half backs are but he's cut it out loads over the last 2-3 months and his game as got better lets hope he plays the same against the aussies and kiwis like he's been over the last month cause we could have a good shot if he's used right

You mean if we give him the ball with big overlaps numerous times a game like Wigan manage in SL.... or run through big slow disorganised forwards....

England could have Wayne Benett as coach, it wouldn't mean Tomkins could throw a dummy, step off his left, and walk through the Aussie defence like he does so easily in SL.

Right Ron do you really think all coaches are that dumb over here?

Do you not think they watch games and spot things that go on and try and stop it?

He's so unpredictable sometimes his own team mates doesn't know what he's doing

It doesn't matter what his going to do, he isn't that fast, and he isn't that strong, so the Aussies just keep a disciplined line and then smash him, they deal with him very easily.

The difference is, there is a lot of broken play in SL, there isn't that freedom at International level, to excel at that level you need more in your nal than just a good change of direction.