THat's fine mate, no worries at all. I just put the above as it's those types of drivers that have caused me to have my accident last May and also a series of near misses that have made me very weary, not to mention nervous, about driving.



It did sound like bragging, hence the way I worded my post, but you've explained in more details what you meant so I understand what you should have put. I did go off on one, so I appreciate your calm and collected reply.

wrong! i once got a ticket from the police, near the HJ, Not a warden, i fought and won the case as i was parked correctly!
so yes police do give tickets!

I am more aware than most that the Police give tickets out. What I was trying to say was that the persons currently giving tickets out around the HJ on a Sunday are council employed wardens. The power to do it was given to them some years ago in an attempt to release police officers for more pressing matters (and I'm not on about speeders before anyone says it).

It's about time they started enforcing the 20MPH limit around Orford. They need to do it on Sandy Lane near St Stephens as well.

And whilst they are at it, pull the morons that rev up and down sandy lane on their quad bikes :@ but that's another rant for another day.

I appreciate what you're saying, though I don't necessarily agree with it all, but you've been onto a loser since you implied that a young child is as equally culpable, if not more so, than the car driver in the event of an accident where the driver is speeding.

The pro speed drivers.

basic physics. Mass and speed > the greater the speed , the harder the impact of any collision.

The chances are, hitting someone at 20MPH there is less chance of killing someone than at 30mph and so on.

Moreover, as some folk are keen to blame pedestrians/kids - yes, adults and kids step out into the road without looking, but if you are not speeding you have more time to react and avoid a collision.

A pro speed argument
if going to Leeds and it's 50 miles away and i travel at 50mph it will take 1 hour. If i travel at 100 mph it will take 30 minutes.
So that's 30 minutes i'm not on the road lessening the chances of hitting someone/thing

In my experience, if you obey the speed limit in Warrington the chances are you will have some idiot within 5 yards of your rear bumper in a matter of seconds. That usually results in me getting completely aggro and definitely affects the quality of my driving.

I can definitely see how tailgating can escalate and result in “road rage” as I’ve been close to doing something stupid on occasions myself.

So you shouldn't be on the road either then?

I realise that may have been slightly inflammatory also, and i'm refraining from going further into this for fear of sounding MORE like an idiot. needless to say, i wouldn't wish the situation on anyone.

simple..slam on let the idiot go into the back of you..you put in a claim..nice little holiday somewhere..luvvly jubbly

I think you may have just caused a rift in the space time continuum.

Hmmm, whilst I was vehemently against the whole parking-ticket saga we had on here, I am with the law on this one because that road is a death trap and has been for years so about time something was done.

Although, I do fully understand what Tommy is trying to say too and he is being lambasted for his opinion. There are people who have a valid UK licence in their possession who are a danger at 10mph, never mind 30mph, or 70mph, both to themselves and to others. Just bad drivers. There are also a good number of people who could use that road at 30mph and not cause an accident. What I want to know is, if people were speeding at 30 mph, what makes the authorities think putting it to 20mph would have any effect? If it was policed in the way suggested now at 30 there wouldn’t be a problem imo (or as much of a problem).

Fearnhead lane makes me chuckle though.. speed bumps from one end, right up to the crossroads before the school, then its a drag race past the school to the lights. Why lay speed bumps which have to be the single most annoying thing on the roads today, only to stop them in the most important area?

Re speed humps, bumps.. how do the emergency services cope over them? Serious question, as I often wonder – particularly ambulances.

Yes because the traffic police have everything to do with serious crime investigations, in fact they share all man power don't they.

Lame excuse - people complaining about speed cameras need to grow up, it makes me laugh that it's always the people who then protest that they don't speed as well: utter b******s, if you don't speed, then what do you have to complain about?