I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....

erm, I thought...,,er,,, having see their propaganda.... er.... muslim state.. You playing devils' again?

If we ever meet lets stick to talking about our joint love of the Wire eh? your political nous is akin to a schoolkids or worse still you believe what you type which would be frightening.

Spoil the ballot (put a cross in every box). Won't count as a vote but will record that you voted

Quite agree. Making the point by turning up. I read that spoilt papers were at a record high this year "may icluding offensive comments" fair do's. I would rather ed off voters did this than vote for fascist idiots to make their point.

No, I'm pointing out that there's a difference between ideologies of racial supremacy and ideologies of separatism and anti-immigration.

The BNP's manifesto policies are the second rather than the first although where the situation gets murky is that some of their big fish individuals have come from a racial supremacy background.

In every left wing organisation you will get some hard line Trotskyists who are secretly hoping to take their own agenda further than the organisation intends, and in every right wing organisation you will get some racial supremacists. Usually the type who go out of their way to discuss how much exaggerated the Holocaust was.

I don't think its a major disaster when the BNP take some seats because over time the more they become integrated into the political system the more they lose their anti-establishment rebel appeal. Most of their support is based around white van man who reads the papers and hates immigrants. If the BNP ended up taking a local council, then white van man isn't going to care about his councillors arguments to prove the Holocaust was a lie, he's going to be complaining when his bins aren't collected and the council's not run well, he will end up saying "BNP are just as bad as the bloody rest of them" and either find another anti-establishment party to vote for or more likely not bother voting altogether.

Fringe parties only tend to have appeal when they are on the outside shouting, once they get in the system it becomes harder to criticise it.

I was pulling your leg, hence the smiley. I've met you a number of times and always thought you were a decent guy. We just share different political views.

Tache in 'different view cue insult' shocker

Is the BNP becoming a real alternative in local government a theory or one you believe will happen in the near future?

The BNP ideology of seperatism does tickle me though. We are as much a mongrel nation as any other, albeit with slight longer blood lines.

For all those wringing their hands at the BNP getting a couple of seats, whilst not being bothered to vote themselves (and I include myself in this), remember this:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" _ Edward Burke

As has been mentioned elsewhere; rights come with responsibilites. It is easy to forget that, with the amount of freedom we have.

Tache I appreciate the reply. It's not that I am sactimonious nor particularily fortunate, it's just I take a different view.

I believe the private sector is more efficient than public sector by virtue of the motivations behind each ideology. I am a believer in health care free at the point of need, but this does not need to mean it is delivered by a public organisation. I would rather have competing private enterprise engaged by the government to deliver the service, and for me, to have the choice of which organisation to use. The same applies for education. We only need to look at the how privatisation has enabled greater choice and service to the consumer. A classic example of this was the privatisation of BT. Prior to privatisation you had to wait weeks to get a new line and one company had the monopoly. Through competition and efficiency we now have a wide range of potential suppliers and a higher level of service. Same goes for gas, electricity and water.

I do not believe in the minimum wage as I do not like the state interferring in the private sector. I would rather market forces apply such that each person is paid according to their worth with the choice of course that they do not have to take the job if they do not wish to.

I believe in the power of the individual to develop, grow and achieve with the state existing to enable them to do so, not reigning them back by over taxation and beaurocracy. Remember whilst I am against minimum wage, I'm also for lower taxation and choice.

I am a true egalitarian and wish everyone to be able to succeed regardless of background, race, disability or sex. If pushed I actually would prefer to see people from working class backgrounds be encouraged more to start businesses and succeed, just like they did under Thatcher.

"I don't need you, I already have your rlchildrenrl"

no probs mate,everyone has different views.