It will be saints or Wigan again. I completely agree with the bookies. Unless another team is allowed to pin down and slow their ruckspeed down (or officials actually start to use their whistles to penalise the lack of movement) nobody will be able to live with them in playoff rugby.

Well I’m hoping for a few rule changes for next season especially if we going to have the bunker system.

The sport really needs it, I'd start with all players have to move when move is called, if you trap one of your teammates in and he can't move tough, it's a penalty. The ruck area has to be quicker and cleaner IMO. Its a total mess and very boring at the minute.

The trouble with rule changes is they're implemented for the early rounds and then forgotten about. We need a whole new set of definitions around the ruck area. Moving off the mark is none I'd like to see punished everytime as well and hands in on the player as they're trying to get up. Mr walmsley may not like the stepping off the mark enforcement though, he would have to learn how to play the ball properly.

Wigan or saints..i.ll go Wigan..and to beat saints in final

Amazing that the bookies have us 3rd favourite above this years finalists. 6/1 is paltry odds and basically the longest of long shots.

I'd have expected Catalans to be shorter odds than us. 6-1 is far too short for a team that looked incapable of beating Wigan or Saints.

Indeed, we are years from mounting a serious challenge even if things go well, but it will be the weight of bets coming in from the loyal fools who are backing us.

Few signings have made a lot of changes to the prices.

Wire were 6/1 at the start of last season on Betfred.
At 8/1 for 2005, they think we might have gone backwards.

8/1 for challenge cup

Littler now 9/4 2nd fav for the title.

Now MVG is out Littler is 7/4 favourite

Humphries 1/1 Littler now 2/1

If you want to make some easy money, put everything you've got on penrith-4 at 10/11 for the WCC.

Totally agree can't see them slipping up twice..