Terrifying. Are you Tony Smith? The only thing missing is blaming luck. Writing was on the wall pre-season. Players don't want to play for the current setup.

Did they want to 6 months ago then?

Blind loyalty to Smith with some of my Warrington mates


Wire win - Tony smith is God!

Wire lose - Agar out!

We as Hull FC were Grand Finalists in the early stages of Agars association with our club. It all went badly after that and Agar was at the root of that demise both as an assistant and then Head Coach.

He was truly clueless and we had players who looked beaten before the game had started. Like I say ask any Hull or Wakey what they think if Agar and the affect he had on a club.

Get rid of Smith at your peril as god help you if Agar gets the job.

Most (not all) but clearly something has changed. Pre-season was clearly a disaster. Smith has form for falling out with players - the list is endless so it isn't exactly a surprise. Clearly the players are fed up of him and his coaching setup.

Name some players of this endless list? I'm sure you will have links to prove it as well with there being so many.

ridiculous isnt it.

I believe this has already been done for me in another thread but for starters:
Wood
Higham
Monaghan (j)
Hodgson
Carvell
Penny
Lineham

And they are just a few done in public. Rumours about cliques in the club have been around a while. Open your eyes something clearly stinks.

Hill said last night we were "miles off".

Your refer to our Challenge Cup Final loss in support of your argument. Do you recall that was the culmination of 3 wins Oldham, Widnes and Wakefield?

and yet if we had won the CC a lot of fans would have put the season down as a success yet finish top of a league structure after 30 games is completely worthless

I'm firmly in the 'Time for Smith to move on' camp.

HOWEVER.

There is no point sacking him until we have a world class replacement ready to step in. Who is there? People crying out for Powell need to give their head a wobble, he's won sod all an all and even if he was a winner he's hardly going to walk out on Cas this season with the rugby he's got them playing. Agar should walk the plank if smith is going an all and Briersy isn't ready... Right now there is no one.

Jib Agar off. He's deadwood we can't afford to be carrying and it'll send a message out. Make Briers first assistant.

Had we won the CC, I would have said that was a success.

That is rightly or wrongly what the definition of success is, in the competitions we compete in.

We can comfort ourselves with the fact we've been the "best" team in the competition on a couple of occasions with the LLS, but success is GF and CC wins.

Walk away as losing finalists in the two main competitions that count, great to be there, better than those that only made it to the semis. But success? No.

Win one or both? Of course that's a success.

Mind you, the prospect of Lee Briers being responsible for training does make me pause for thought

So, do we just keep on losing game after game with a disgruntled set of players, whom the coach appears to have lost.... All because there isnt a world class replacement to take over immediately?

or do we make a change, try and lift the morale of the players and the fans and go again, in an attempt to not end up in the million pound game.

I dont care who it is, but we need change. Even its if temporary until the end of the season. These players need another leader before its too late.