After last nights performance against a side with Willie Poching on the training staff, I still think Agar is not cutting it at this cub

Nothing to do with Agar just look at the players we have lost over the last few seasons and what they have been replaced by

Out
Lee briers
Trent Waterhouse
Adrian Morley
Brett Hodgson
M Monas
Coops
Gaz Carvell
Mickey Higham
Matt King

In
Roy Asotasi
Ashton simms
D Clarke
Biscuit Wheeler
Anthony England
Matty Russell

possibly only aston simms would of got anywhere near our team of 2011

Excellent summary 'die' It is quite alarming. Hopefully the next recruitment period will go some way to addressing this loss of talent.

That's also with having lost Solomona King Anderson Wood(top metre maker in the side in our best performing season of 2011) previously, with Westwood and JMonaghan getting older and having less impact on performances, and with Harrison and
Grix suffering huge injuries in the last two seasons with lots of time out.

Agree with Biscuit and those with similar views, Agar only time will tell, assistant coaches/managers are usually not seen and not heard, this goes a lot deeper than Agar more to do with the massive change in personnel, I think Tony Smith would admit he needs time to adjust to it all.

You must be also one of the poorer sides then. Just managed to beat us at your place earlier in the season. We were in the match until the last 10 minutes or so. You were only in the match until 10 minutes before half time last Friday. You were convincingly beaten. You are admittedly two points ahead of us but we do have a game in hand. I am not saying we will finish above you but you do seem rather condescending. You obviously felt you support a top team. How the mighty have fallen. Looking at our present respective squads I believe that I know which has the most potential. It is not the mighty Wires.

And there are some on here who seriously think we are spending up to our cap...!
No way have we done so In the last 2 seasons, you only have to see you only get what you pay for.

How do we know if we are not spending to the cap if indeed that is the case?.

Spending up to the cap does not necessarily improve matters it is where you spend it that matters, although you would hope it would help. My question relating to this thread is what on earth are they practicing in training as the evidence suggests it is not attacking plays. It is all well and good for TS to advocate just playing what you see in front of you but to do that you need somebody who can improvise and guide the team around the field. With inexperienced halfs in O'Brian and now Patton they need set plays to fall back on, something we do seem to have.

Darn it ........ something we do seem to have ????..... obviously I meant "do not seem to have"

I don't think he was being condescending. We along with you are among the poorer sides in this league. We'd openly admit that. We don't think we're a top side.

I agree with the Smith and Agar apologists, lets give them 2 years in the championship ,falling gates and Gene Ormsby as club captain and part time circus performer.

You seem to have missed the point which was ....What's agar ever done? So I listed what he's done as a second in command which seems respectable to me. ...

What this wasn't was a thread where I said Warrington wolves are hot and flying high like ing majestic golden eagles soaring above the mountains with such ing beauty it would make grown men ing weep...While at the same time laughing at Hull KR.

I just said you are one of the poorer sides that's all...

wires are in fact at this present time...and you lot aren't much better. ..but over recent seasons ...The last five or so shall we say? we've been good and you haven't ...and if Willie poaching was some super coach he'd be in the nrl or at Wigan or saints.

whatever the misunderstanding it still remains agar is not our problem but recruitment and players not playing in positions they are not at.....
Oh and Roy Asotasi

Well, at least we know he's not to blame for our kicking game... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlAeVIJfFU

Well, at least we know he's not to blame for our kicking game... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlAeVIJfFU