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Quote: Jack Napier "Interesting angle. I'd say our expectancy, or at least mine, comes down to money. We've been the biggest spenders in the league (or one of them) for about 14/15 years now. We have far too little to show for it.

When you're paying a lot more for your players than your opposition, it should be expected that you'll beat them a lot more times than not.

For many reasons over the years, especially in the last 8/9, we've constantly fallen short. Many people, including me, think that's down to a culture that doesn't have the elite mentality that Wigan and Saints have. We play the likes of Wakefield and expect to win without putting in the effort.

That lack of excellence and effort is something Wigan and Saints don't stand for. We seem accepting of it.

Maybe it's a bit of a paradox, in that it's hard to have that mentality without winning trophies but to win trophies you need that mentality. Hence, 0 Grand Final wins.'"

And an equally interesting reply mate. I kind of get what you’re saying but money doesn’t buy wins and trophies as Leeds found out for years before getting it right and dropping on RL with the GG. Yes your squad will probably cost a good 35% more than wakeys but the game isn’t played on paper. Who would you say is getting better value for money out of their players? Just because they cost more doesn’t necessarily mean they’re better players. King a prime example signed a mega deal on the back of a good start to a season and then just stagnated at best. Both Hall and Lyne were far better over the two games, same with Matautia who be always seen as a flat track bully he’s good when it’s easy. The pleasing thing about Sunday was the win was without two of the best and highest paid players in Fifita and Johnstone. Equally pleasing was the amount of home grown talent now playing in the first team. Jowitt Kay Murphy Hall (started at wakey then went Wigan and Leeds) Pitt’s Batchelor Crowther Aydin all came through the ranks as did Johnstone and also Harry Bowes (great name tangfanstic!) has featured and there’s Lee Kershaw who’s currently injured plus 4 or 5 more waiting for a chance, that’s a rarity for a club like ours but it shows they’re building the right way and trying to grow from the bottom up and spending money on quality such as Lino Miller and Fifita Lyne etc (put lineham in there too but I don’t actually rate him). You’ve got a few home growners too but are you happy with the standard they play at? I’m not saying all wakeys players are better than yours by any means and most of you would probably only take a couple compared to what what you have of your own but when it comes to value for money at this moment in time we’re way in front.