Heard worst reasons not to vote for someone. Usually Cameron instead of Clegg mind.

Monmouthwire suggests that the government is "the worst in living memory". Whose living memory?
I remember Ted Heath's 3 day week and power cuts, Dennis Healey going to the IMF for a bail out, Maggie's destruction of the trade unions and British manufacturing industry.
In comparison, this government has been a symbol of good government, despite all the problems with the recession.
But, please note, that whicever party or parties gain "power", the rich will still get richer at the expense of the "poor blo"""y infantry", and we will be having a similar conversation before the next election, about "the worst government in living memory"

Mine.

Why is that considered a bad thing?

Polls pretty stable tonight. Slight Labour recovery if anything.

Because, despite what the Tories and all their sycophantic media chums would have you believe, it wasn't actually a fight with the Unions, but in reality a fight with the Labour-voting working classes, who dared to stand up for their working rights.

Its ironic that Cameron has based a large amount of his campaign on our 'Broken Society', when it was Thatcher and her battles with the working classes that actually destroyed countless communities, leading to the situation we complain about today, where we seemingly have a society without any bonds between neighbours, which, so it is claimed by Cameron and his ilk, leads to a lack of pride in our society and then causes the problems we now have.

Visit Cornwall and its ghost towns that were once thriving mining communities, or Yorkshire, South Wales, etc, for similar examples of Tory hypocrisy.

Lib-Lab coalition already planned?: www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... s-ed-balls

Lib-Lab coalition already planned?: www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... s-ed-balls

Maggie sought to challenge "working rights" as it was becoming rediculous. Perhaps you would like a return to 1978/79 with 3 day weeks, public sector wage increase demands of 5%, unofficial action, electricity going off during the evening, binmen getting 11% pay rise after letting rubbish pile up for weeks and the dead laying unburied for the same time? That's what Trade Unions do for you, and giving power to the working man.

I see 'broken societies' where there were no mining communities i.e) Warrington for a start. How do you explain that. Still blame it on Maggie after all these years?

If there was another Tory like Thatcher in the offing now they would be on for a huge majority.

Could you point me towards Warrington's broken society please?

I can show you 2nd generation unemployed youths hanging around in Culcheth village setting fires, littering, being abusive, anti-social, drinking underage and fighting. Friday evening I challenged one as I picked up his litter he dropped on the park (designed for children and I was with my 9yo) and he said "i don't respect nuffink man, who gives a init." He effected a sort of rediculous black culture slang then swaggered off smirking. He was damned. I could have cried for him.

Culcheth is considered to be OK. God knows what it's like in worse areas.

Quote: The Angry Pirate "Could you point me towards Warrington's broken society please?'" Oh, and here, news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 176471.stm

Quote: The Angry Pirate "Could you point me towards Warrington's broken society please?'" Oh, and here, news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 176471.stm

Simple thing have helped break down the community spirit.

I'll use Golborne as an example

We used to have the Walking day and Carnival day in which the whole village would be out in the pubs and beer gardens BBQ's everywhere and people enjoying themselves.
On carnival day people would hire a truck and trailer and turn it into a float, there would be 30 floats, about 15 marching bands, dancers, walkers. There would then be a travelling fairground, the whole place was out, it was great.

Now i moved out a number of years ago so correct me if anyone knows better
Walking day (i think) has been cancelled
The last time i went to the carnival it had 5 floats a couple of bands and a few morris dancing troops, a little kiddies fair and The Horns Inn, The Angel, The Manor all knocked down and houses built with The Railway turned into flats and The Red Lion closed down.

The village has turned into a chav area and no longer has that community spirit it had for generations.
No one wants to take the mantle, no one wants to lead the spirit and turn it around. I wouldn't be surprised if H&S legislation is also a community killer with over the top paper work and insurance costs and risk assessments killing community events.

It's almost like the fun has been knocked out of people, people are becoming more and more insular and selfish.
I don't blame Thatcher or anyone else for that matter. No one in Golborne gave two hoots what Thatcher said so i can't see how a community changed because of her.

People need passion, people need inspiration and drive. They need to be taught how to communicate with each other and look out for one another and protect each other.

Do any of these parties offer social change or stimulate it in anyway ?

I'd ban over the top H&S legislation, I'd ban 24 hour news channels, I'd reward community action.

I'll type other stuff when it comes to me but for now peace.

Were Brixton and Toxteth broken societies?

It's a capitalist system. It thrives on division. We are only talking about who is going to run it best, not change it!