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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "Schools are places of education, or should be......They are not places where adults can be allowed to dish out abuse to children.
No thats the catholic church '"
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| Quote: "My eldest son is autistic with complex learning difficulties and by no means ill behaved or taught poorly. He goes to a mainstream school where he works with a dedicated TA who works exclusively with him. With people like you about my son could never go to mainstream school and would be labelled unteachable. Dont put y comments on about children with learning difficulties unless you actually know what the f**k your talking about. People like you make me so bloody angry sometimes.'"
To Matty Wire 75 -my point was more that learning difficulties is a lazy label attached to all children that seem to be difficult to teach (i.e. poorly behaved, not academic etc.) rather than having genuine learning difficulties as in the case of your son. My point was a broader one about the state education system and a one size fits all approach it wasn't referring to autistic children or the situation with your son. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
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| Quote: ChiswickWire "
Summed up nicely by Langer7's ("made me want to wretch"icon_wink.gif comment about Duncan Smith's interview saying if there's no job in your town then maybe you will have to take a bus ride to get one in another town. What exactly is wrong with that? (Which is what he actually said about catching a bus from Merthyr to Cardiff.)
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The comment made me wretch because it harked back to an attitude previously adopted by the Tories i.e. people on benefits are just being lazy.
It's divisive garbage to suggest people getting on buses will address the issues many unemployed currently face.
I thought my post was very clear on that.
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| 13/ Abolish the Royal family and all its' hangers'on.
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| Quote: ChiswickWire "To Matty Wire 75 -my point was more that learning difficulties is a lazy label attached to all children that seem to be difficult to teach (i.e. poorly behaved, not academic etc.) rather than having genuine learning difficulties as in the case of your son. My point was a broader one about the state education system and a one size fits all approach it wasn't referring to autistic children or the situation with your son. Apologies if that wasn't clear.'"
Sorry im quite quick to react sometimes so i apologise for flying off the handle.
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| Quote: Live Wired "13/ Abolish the Royal family and all its' hangers'on.'"
So you'd happily put hundreds of butlers, cooks, gardeners and corgis on the dole?
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| Quite gladly. Imagine the saving to the country.
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| How much would it save? Net.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "What about using the ex squaddies who have come back from Afghanistan and Iraq and struggle to get jobs on civvie street, lots of them end up either turning to alcohol or crime or in some cases committing suicide. They have that "Teach First" programme which trains graduates on a crash course to be teachers, gives them a couple of years teaching in inner city schools to learn skills, then sends them off to work in the private sector. How about make some scheme available for ex squaddies to teach them to be at least a TA and then allow them progression to go on to be a teacher if they complete further qualifications. Rather than having to spend money on having them in the criminal justice system why not give them an opportunity to use some of their skills in developing kids. Anybody who's been in the Armed Forces has got skills, discipline, routine, ability to think under pressure, cope with hostile situations, they would be perfect for a school environment, they would not put up with crap and the kids would have a level of respect for them.
We had a history teacher who was an ex Army officer, and all of the cocky wannabe bad boys who acted up in every other lesson, wouldn't dare go out of line against him. He didn't have the cane, he just had an assertive manner about him that you didn't question.'"
Thats a sensible idea!! It was used after WWII and some of my teachers at school in the 1970s had qualified through that programme. They were good solid teachers.
On the benefits issue, it seems very difficult to get on and off benefits. My daughter signed on last year for a week, but then found a job. However her dole money took 6 weeks to come through. If you are unemployed you may also have to wait four weeks+ for your first wage packet. Few families can go from benefits with no income for a month or the risk that if the job proves to be short term it will take months to get your benefits coming in. The system is slow and unresponsive and aimed at people going onto benefit and staying there.
Its also expensive to the tax payer. I worked a lot of extra time last month and nearly half of the pay went on tax and NI....wheres the incentive in being a tax cash cow for the state?
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| Langer7 - the much (mis)quoted Norman Tebbit get on your bike statement was not what he actually said. He was talking about his unemployed father in the 1930s and how he got on his bike and cycled to find work. He never once said get on yer bike.
But I understand where you are coming from now - you are right it's too easy to label everyone without work as lazy scroungers etc. in the same way not all public sector workers are Lesbian Diversity Outreach assistants on 50k per year (TM Daily Mail).
However, it goes without saying that there are people like that and they should be rooted out of the system. The welfare system needs to be a safety net not a way of life. There's something seriously wrong when we spend more on housing benefit than the Army and Royal Navy combined.
Having said that most people have to travel a fair distance to work - my girlfriend gets 3 trains, over an hour and a half journey sometimes to get to work. I still don't see what is wrong with having to travel to get work - it's common sense surely?
MattyWire 75 - no problem and I can quite understand why you may have read / reacted to my comment given your son. Out of interest which school does he go to?
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| he goes to our local primary school, but next september goes upto high school. He needs to go to a high school that has a specialist ASD provision facility and warrington has 2 of these (st greggs and bridgewater.) We have had meetings with the school, LEA, educational psychologist, parent patnership etc to make the transition to high school alot easier. Unfortunatly in warrington there are only about 6-8 provision places over both schools available for an authority with around 60 primary schools. So we just have to wait till 15th feb and see what happens next.
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| Will whether or not you are Catholics come into it vis a vis st. Gregory's?
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| If you go to Bridgewater you have to play union at school and not league. You don't want that!!
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| Quote: worthing wire "Will whether or not you are Catholics come into it vis a vis st. Gregory's?'"
No, that has no bearing on children with statements of special educational needs.
Quote: worthing wire "If you go to Bridgewater you have to play union at school and not league. You don't want that!!'"
small price to pay.
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| How about if child benefit was restricted to the first two or even three children....?
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