A right, a freedom, ney, an honour that Nazi parties stand to abolish. The BNP, The National Front, 'Skinheads in Suits' if you like, represent Nazi values.



Yes, but if YOU have freedom of expression, surely so does everybody else? Therefore, if you are free to vote BNP, I am free to criticise? See how it works?


No, it's people like Nick Griffin my Grandfather lost friends in battle to keep us from. How very dare you insult his and their memory with a statement like that?!



Because, Warrington is a north west seat in Parliament. Nick Griffin holds a north west European Parliament seat. Very relevant, I feel, and much more worthy of sensible debate and discussion than a couple of scruffy brothers from Burnage IMO.

The problem lies that with rights, privellages, come responsibilities.
In this country, we have the privellage to be free to vote. We do, however, have a responsibilty of care to our fellow man and a responsibility to vote for the party we believe best suited to the election. The recent election was a Local Parliament election, the general consesus is that many people voted 'blind', not really looking at the parties' manifestos and policies.

The arguement that immigrants ruin Britian, IMO, is short sighted and ignorant - at very best!
Are we talking about the same britain here? The britain that had a global empire and ruled India for years? The britain who's greatest export is people? Australia and america being two examples where little trace of their heritage is left, instead a white, anglo species is dominant?
Britain, where hundreds of thousands of people leave everyyear for a new life in foreign countries? They are called expats, why not immigrants? That's what they are.
This country was built by immigrants - the romans built our roads and our towns, the vikings, french and germans gave us our expansive linguistic options. How far back do we go before we are british? The irish navis that aided the industrial revolution, they were immigrants. The ghurkas were, too. As was the cheap, but industrious labour that came to britain in th 60s when we needed.

Very much ruining the country indeed.

Amongst other things, the BNP's main beliefs include:
To be 'British', you cannot be non-white, regardless of how long many generations of your family have been British; you cannot be any religion other than Christian; you cannot be homosexual.
These are just a few examples. If this still doesn't phase you, how about the fact that they oppose WWII on the grounds that we fought with our own race - they actually praise Hitler!
Furthermore, the party is made up of ignorant, sexist bigots, several of whom are convicted rapists. They promote sexism to the extent of the private sphere, ie husbands/fathers the head of the household and women as inferior yet this is one of the traits of Islam that the BNP claim to oppose!

A girl I know who studies politics at Man Met summed up the BNP as "a racist, fascist, anti semetic, homophobic, islamophobic, sexist, nazi party proud of their holocaust denial".

I don't see the problem, either.

I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....

erm, I thought...,,er,,, having see their propaganda.... er.... muslim state.. You playing devils' again?

If we ever meet lets stick to talking about our joint love of the Wire eh? your political nous is akin to a schoolkids or worse still you believe what you type which would be frightening.

Spoil the ballot (put a cross in every box). Won't count as a vote but will record that you voted

Quite agree. Making the point by turning up. I read that spoilt papers were at a record high this year "may icluding offensive comments" fair do's. I would rather ed off voters did this than vote for fascist idiots to make their point.

No, I'm pointing out that there's a difference between ideologies of racial supremacy and ideologies of separatism and anti-immigration.

The BNP's manifesto policies are the second rather than the first although where the situation gets murky is that some of their big fish individuals have come from a racial supremacy background.

In every left wing organisation you will get some hard line Trotskyists who are secretly hoping to take their own agenda further than the organisation intends, and in every right wing organisation you will get some racial supremacists. Usually the type who go out of their way to discuss how much exaggerated the Holocaust was.

I don't think its a major disaster when the BNP take some seats because over time the more they become integrated into the political system the more they lose their anti-establishment rebel appeal. Most of their support is based around white van man who reads the papers and hates immigrants. If the BNP ended up taking a local council, then white van man isn't going to care about his councillors arguments to prove the Holocaust was a lie, he's going to be complaining when his bins aren't collected and the council's not run well, he will end up saying "BNP are just as bad as the bloody rest of them" and either find another anti-establishment party to vote for or more likely not bother voting altogether.

Fringe parties only tend to have appeal when they are on the outside shouting, once they get in the system it becomes harder to criticise it.

I was pulling your leg, hence the smiley. I've met you a number of times and always thought you were a decent guy. We just share different political views.

Tache in 'different view cue insult' shocker

Is the BNP becoming a real alternative in local government a theory or one you believe will happen in the near future?

The BNP ideology of seperatism does tickle me though. We are as much a mongrel nation as any other, albeit with slight longer blood lines.

For all those wringing their hands at the BNP getting a couple of seats, whilst not being bothered to vote themselves (and I include myself in this), remember this:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" _ Edward Burke

As has been mentioned elsewhere; rights come with responsibilites. It is easy to forget that, with the amount of freedom we have.