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| If its any consolation bobby.
I don't consider the drop goal that caused it.
But the draw of the semi final in 1989.
Saints and Widnes were 2 average teams that made the semi together.
Wire only had to draw either one of them.
That's were our dream took the wrong course.
Wire made a real dig v Wigan but to us a Wire team without Davidson and Blake was akin to Wigan being without being without Shelford and Hanley.
If something come of it, Higham vowed never to sign short term Aussies again and a visit to Wembley in 1990 when on form since the departure of Greg Mackey we didn't deserve.
Saints got the wrong semi final draw that year of 1990!
A couple of years later we started signing unknown Welsh players instead and shrewd purchasing of youth from Oldham.
It gave us a false dawn in 1994/1995 with Davis but in truth we were on a very long slippery slope of demise.
That semi final draw in 1989 cost us big time!!!!
That's what I hate the most and always think 'WHAT IF?'
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Quote: rubber duckie "Its all a matter of opinion.
In my opinion I've never seen a better pack around that 2 year period. 88 and 89.
Boyd Tamati Jackson Davidson M Gregory Humphries Rathbone Roach in the cup games...he didn't wanna know in the league hence the poor league form??
I know in my heart of hearts that the draw of Wigan in 89 semi and the unavailability of Davidson and Blake cost us history.
I'm convinced Warrington would have beat Wigan in the CC final of 89 with them.
I truly believe Wigan wouldn't had become so dominant. I believe Warrington would had been equals with the monies of an 89 final.'"
Warrington were not even close to Wigan at this time. Look at our 1988/89 season. 11th in the league. Started the season with three straight losses. Lost 7 out of 8 between December and January. Lost 6 out of 8 from March to finish the season. Where in any universe was this a team close to being challengers?
As for our great cup runs:
Lancashire Cup: beat Runcorn and Carlisle, knocked out by Salford
John Player Special Trophy: beat Oldham and Bramley, knocked out by Widnes
Challenge Cup: beat Halifax, Keighley and Hull KR, knocked out by Wigan
So the only top division teams we beat in the cup were Halifax and Oldham. So Roach and this great pack, who saved their best for the cup, proved themselves against lower division teams in front of crowds of 3000 or so.
www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seaso ... mmary.html
But hey maybe if only we'd got the Wembley money in 1989 that team could have gone on to dominate rugby ahead of a Wigan side that had Hanley, Edwards, Gregory, Bell, Hampson, Gill, Lydon, the Iros.....
The side I get nostalgic about is the great team of Daryl Van de Velde that reached back to back Challenge Cup semi finals in 2000 and 2001 with a great pack that included Gee, Farrar, Nikau, McCurrie, Knott and Nikau. If only we had got past Bradford in one of those semis we would have won either of those finals....in 2000 we had smashed Leeds a few weeks before Murrayfield and in 2001 we smashed Saints just before Twickenham.
As for John Woods and Paul Bishop or Rocky Turner I raise you Allan Langer and Lee Briers.
And DVDVs side had guys like Kohe-Love, Hunte and Smyth that were prolific try scorers so more than a match for your Cullen, Darbyshire and Forster era.
Who knows if only we'd won one of those cup semis DVDVs side could have gone on to dominate in place of Bradford or Saints.
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Quote: rubber duckie "Its all a matter of opinion.
In my opinion I've never seen a better pack around that 2 year period. 88 and 89.
Boyd Tamati Jackson Davidson M Gregory Humphries Rathbone Roach in the cup games...he didn't wanna know in the league hence the poor league form??
I know in my heart of hearts that the draw of Wigan in 89 semi and the unavailability of Davidson and Blake cost us history.
I'm convinced Warrington would have beat Wigan in the CC final of 89 with them.
I truly believe Wigan wouldn't had become so dominant. I believe Warrington would had been equals with the monies of an 89 final.'"
Warrington were not even close to Wigan at this time. Look at our 1988/89 season. 11th in the league. Started the season with three straight losses. Lost 7 out of 8 between December and January. Lost 6 out of 8 from March to finish the season. Where in any universe was this a team close to being challengers?
As for our great cup runs:
Lancashire Cup: beat Runcorn and Carlisle, knocked out by Salford
John Player Special Trophy: beat Oldham and Bramley, knocked out by Widnes
Challenge Cup: beat Halifax, Keighley and Hull KR, knocked out by Wigan
So the only top division teams we beat in the cup were Halifax and Oldham. So Roach and this great pack, who saved their best for the cup, proved themselves against lower division teams in front of crowds of 3000 or so.
www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seaso ... mmary.html
But hey maybe if only we'd got the Wembley money in 1989 that team could have gone on to dominate rugby ahead of a Wigan side that had Hanley, Edwards, Gregory, Bell, Hampson, Gill, Lydon, the Iros.....
The side I get nostalgic about is the great team of Daryl Van de Velde that reached back to back Challenge Cup semi finals in 2000 and 2001 with a great pack that included Gee, Farrar, Nikau, McCurrie, Knott and Nikau. If only we had got past Bradford in one of those semis we would have won either of those finals....in 2000 we had smashed Leeds a few weeks before Murrayfield and in 2001 we smashed Saints just before Twickenham.
As for John Woods and Paul Bishop or Rocky Turner I raise you Allan Langer and Lee Briers.
And DVDVs side had guys like Kohe-Love, Hunte and Smyth that were prolific try scorers so more than a match for your Cullen, Darbyshire and Forster era.
Who knows if only we'd won one of those cup semis DVDVs side could have gone on to dominate in place of Bradford or Saints.
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| Top Trumps.
Phil Blake v Allan Langer...
Phil Blake.
John Woods v Lee Briers...
John Woods.
Although Langer was special he doesn't come close to what I saw Blake do.
As for Woods up against Briers, that is a wind up comparison and I wont bite.
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| Briers won three Challenge Cups and a league leaders shield with Warrington, Woods despite playing behind a stronger pack finished mid table or low table and only made progress in the cups when we played lower division teams.
So Briers for me.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Briers won three Challenge Cups and a league leaders shield with Warrington, Woods despite playing behind a stronger pack finished mid table or low table and only made progress in the cups when we played lower division teams.
So Briers for me.'"
.... I know you are on a deliberate wind up here, but Briers doesn't come close to Woods (or Andy Gregory, of whom this thread is about?)
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| Quote: Builth Wells Wire "Top Rugby League Players of All Time
I think Briers will always be remembered by Wire fans as WIRE legend, a little like Parry Gordon or Mike Gregory, but Woods will be remembered by Rugby League fans, as a Rugby League legend.
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| John Woods was a Leigther through and through. He used to walk to Hilton Park on match days.
He was virtually retired when he played at Wilderspool.
He turned his back on domestic success but was well decorated internationally. He was a rugby league version of Matt Le Tissier.
Briers has TS to thank for his domestic fortune, his international honours speak volumes.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I think Briers will always be remembered by Wire fans as WIRE legend, a little like Parry Gordon or Mike Gregory, but Woods will be remembered by Rugby League fans, as a Rugby League legend.'"
He ain't like a Parry Gordon or Mike Gregory to me.
Those two guys gave everything they had every time they played during their career at Warrington.
Lee Briers didn't.
To many with short memories. Thank you Lee for the 4 great seasons under TS and playing your part in the CC successes.
Before then I will reserve my thoughts to myself.
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| John Woods was THE finest all round rugby player , I have ever seen , he had everything ,he had speed , could kick tactically and kick goals , had a superb side step , could tackle , score tries from anywhere on the field , and was a Butts Bridger and Manc Roader to boot .He played most of his career in an Average Leigh side , but look at his wcoring record , in todays game he would be priceless.Charlie knows .
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| What I don't get is all this started with people saying Warrington had a side ready to kick on and dominate rugby league in place of Wigan, with the best pack we have ever had, but Andy Gregory left and then we fell away. Andy Gregory leaving was the difference supposedly.
But we replaced Gregory with one of the game's greats in John Woods and rapidly became a mid table mediocre side.....despite also adding Des Drummond
So regardless of Woods, Gregory or whatever does anybody have any explanation for why the sudden decline?
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| I think the crux of the problem for the Wires team of 86-89 was that they could beat anyone on their day (I happen to think if the touring kangaroos of 86 had given us a game, they'd have got the shock of their lives) but, despite having some wonderful players in their side, they had a habit of descending to the opposition's level. I can certainly remember that team turning in some abject performance at Barrow, Salford and Featherstone to name three.
Tony Barrow & Les Boyd as assistant turned us round and inspired some fantastic performances but if, for example, Graham Lowe had been our coach instead of Wigan's perhaps we'd have hit greater heights with that squad.
Who knows. Seeing those players in the P&B was worth the odd 11-10 defeat at Barrow anytime.
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| So basically, no different from the Van der Velde and Cullen eras.
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| VDV/Cullen side had no comparison to Phil Blake and the Boyd pack IMO
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "What I don't get is all this started with people saying Warrington had a side ready to kick on and dominate rugby league in place of Wigan, with the best pack we have ever had, but Andy Gregory left and then we fell away. Andy Gregory leaving was the difference supposedly.
But we replaced Gregory with one of the game's greats in John Woods and rapidly became a mid table mediocre side.....despite also adding Des Drummond
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