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So we have one political leader who doesn't care about the working class, and another who insults the working class.

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No doubts that Brown has just hammered the final nail into his political coffin....However, it says a lot about the world we live in that we are picking Cameron for Prime Minister simply on the fact that he is a nice fellow, and Brown is a grumpy begger...... icon_lol.gif

Imagine that famous drunkard, and all round champion rude man of all time, Winston Churchill, trying to get elected nowadays???.... icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Angry Pirate "No doubts that Brown has just hammered the final nail into his political coffin....However, it says a lot about the world we live in that we are picking Cameron for Prime Minister simply on the fact that he is a nice fellow, and Brown is a grumpy begger......
He had enough of a job trying to win over the electorate in 1945. Everyone said Maggie Thatcher won in 1983 because the public still had the Falklands fresh in their mind from a year earlier....I am guessing they had all forgotten about World War Two when they voted Churchill out and Attlee in with a landslide in 1945.

Maybe the media kept focusing on the levels of borrowing Churchill had racked up in the preceding years...?

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Quote: sally cinnamon "He had enough of a job trying to win over the electorate in 1945. Everyone said Maggie Thatcher won in 1983 because the public still had the Falklands fresh in their mind from a year earlier....I am guessing they had all forgotten about World War Two when they voted Churchill out and Attlee in with a landslide in 1945.

Maybe the media kept focusing on the levels of borrowing Churchill had racked up in the preceding years...?'"



Equating Churchill with Brown. Nice.

The Atlee/Churchill thing was far more complicated especially seeing as Churchill was PM again in 1951 in effectively his 3rd stint.

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Quote: Wires71 "Equating Churchill with Brown. Nice.

The Atlee/Churchill thing was far more complicated especially seeing as Churchill was PM again in 1951 in effectively his 3rd stint.'"


Wasn't Churchill given the PM's job because he was the only politician who was popular with all parties in a coalition government ?

I don't think the same could be said for Gordon, he's probably not even popular in his own party.

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Churchill had been a bit of an outsider in his own party but he was such a high profile figure as to be the obvious 'man for the job' in the time of war. He wasn't voted in, after Chamberlain resigned, King George VI invited Churchill to do the job as head of a coalition government. In practice this meant Churchill co-ordinated the war effort, and Clement Attlee (Labour leader) was effectively the domestic PM, co-ordinating rationing, Home Guard, response to the Blitz and so on. Both of them did very good jobs and worked well together (who says coalitions can't work...?)

After the war was over, despite Churchill being a very popular individual figure, people just didn't rate him over Attlee as a domestic PM and Churchill alienated voters with few non-PC comments in the election campaign trying to claim that Attlee would be a communist dictator with a Gestapo, which was ludicrous as Attlee was well respected. Attlee won with a huge majority which shocked Churchill, and that was the most left-wing Labour government ever, setting up the NHS and welfare state.

Churchill did get voted back in six years later with a smallish majority but he was in his late 70s, he also had a few strokes during his second term which affected his ability to work, he was a bit more of a figurehead leader at this time.

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Last throw of the dice for Brown tonight? Got to hit Cameron hard on cutting public services and jobs....

After three weeks of campaigning, I now get the feeling that my original prediction of a Tory overall majority of 20-30 seats is coming back into sight.

Hell.

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Funnily enough the latest "poll of polls" on the BBC site has got Labour nudging back into 2nd place on share of the vote, they've managed to creep back ahead of the Lib Dems. The seat forecaster on the current poll of polls would have a hung parliament with Labour as the largest party 283 seats, Conservatives with 255, Lib Dems 83 and others 29.

Labour coming 2nd on share of the vote is significant because Clegg ruled out the Lib Dems joining forces with Labour if they came 3rd on share of the vote, but he has got more of a case to join forces with Labour if they are 2nd on share of the vote, and 1st on seats. That would be politically the best option for him because not only are they more likely to agree to electoral reform as a bargaining point, but most Lib Dem voters could stomach a coalition with Labour much more than a coalition with the Tories. The Lib Dem supporters I know say that they will never vote for them again if they bring Cameron into No.10.

So my prediction at the moment, based on the polls going into this debate, is Brown to be PM of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition.

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Let's all really put the cat amongst the pigeons and vote for the monster raving loony party!

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Quote: Wires71 "1. Speculation. There were 3 GP's prior to the renegoatiated contracts and the GP you saw in the day came to see you in the middle of the night if you were sick. Not now. You get a GP who can barely speak English (typically) and who does not have access to your notes or any clue as to your chronic medical conditions.

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You seem to have an endemic problem ( jealousy ?) towards GP`s - strange that thought you would be one and same - been middle class and educated like ...

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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "Last throw of the dice for Brown tonight? Got to hit Cameron hard on cutting public services and jobs....

After three weeks of campaigning, I now get the feeling that my original prediction of a Tory overall majority of 20-30 seats is coming back into sight.

Hell.'"


I disagree, we're heading for a hung parliament, and as someone said above me, a Lib-Lab coalition with Brown as PM and, I would guess, Vince Cable in the Treasury.

Cameron should have had this one won long ago, and it seems he is falling at the last.

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Quote: OrangeConditioner "

Cameron should have had this one won long ago, and it seems he is falling at the last.'"


I sincerely hope you are right. 1992 is still too raw in my mind....

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rlRed tape and bureaucracyrl

Just remind me who runs our Council...

I thought it was the Labour Government who had all the silly rules and that Tories and Lib Dems are going to give power back to the people.

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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "I sincerely hope you are right. 1992 is still too raw in my mind....'"


This could be the Tories version how the 1992 election went for Labour.

Now, who can we send to get Cameron drunk in Sheffield a few nights before the election?

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Again, I sincerely etc....

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