Yes they have made a similar amount of appearances but 11 of Chris Riley`s appearances have been as a sub, Chris Riley always seemed to get overlooked and i doubt he would ever have got many games at all if it hadn`t of been for our injuries over the last few years.

In theory and in a lot of ways it was better for Kevin Penny that he went straight into the pro game as he would of got taught the right way of doing things from the start and wouldn`t of picked up a lot of the bad habits that you can do in the amatuer game, also he would get far more personal coaching in a 1 on 1 situation than you get in the amatuer game due to lack of resources in that area. Anyway the pro game is totally different from amatuer game as its a lot cleaner and a lot faster at pro level, it will have been a totally new experience for Chris Riley as well as you hear so many pros say that you can`t compare the amatuer game to the pro game as they are so different.

Kevin Penny 35 appearances 1 as sub

Chris Riley 37 appearances 11 as sub

I'd have Riley fullback. Gleeson and Penny on the right. Johnson and Hicks on the left. Briers and Bridge 6 and 7. Monaghan starting hooker for both halfs with Higham to come off the bench for the last 20 of each half. Clarke at loose.

you're not really a coach are you Bobbie....I bet you're not even called Bobbie

I think its best explained in Pictureshttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k305/The_flying_biscuit/bus.jpg" >

PMSL, but incidently so very true, lol

Exactly what I said, but he's still not having it.

Penny has alot more than either of them, the ability to change direction and pace quickly a bit of a step he also has great control when kicking a live ball, why do people insist on putting down our most dangerous weapon is beyond me.

Riley is much further on in his RL development than Penny, the fact he only touched a ball at 14/15 whatever he was, proves this.

In terms of Penny & Riley, I'm not sure our current set up, or the last one is the best to judge them on. They've come in, as rookies, into the worst defensive side in SL, or if not the worst, the wost of the supposed 'bigger sides' anyhow. If your learning your trade, in a setup which is offensively orientated, as ours has been/is now, it makes sense that the only areas of your game that are likely to improve is that. In a defensively mided environment, with better role models, it'd be different. We don't have one single back, who's decent defensively, Gleeson is probably our best, and teams get at him.

You put Kev Penny at Saints or Leeds tomorrow, i'll bet he'll look quality. Look at how that Watkins has slotted in pretty impressively.

They have a coach who'd play to his strengths, I'm quite sure. We have one of the best attacking wingers in the league and don't utilise plays to suit him.

You still dont understand what im trying to say.

If Penny was there where you have placed him on the picture. Matt King could still tackle the saints centre and Kev Penny has a better Chance of stopping Gardner one on one.

The 10 metre gap shouldnt be there.. but is irrelevant

How?

NO NO NO NO NO and NO

Steve51 has explained it Keithcun has explained it and the big red bus has shown it....

Matt King is the one Circled in Red He has Left Matt Gidley to go and Tackle Flannery the Second rower ....this action is the very starting point for the breakdown of that defensive unit....

Matt Kings position meant he couldnt tackle Matt Gidley the best he did was get two hands on his back. how would the positioning of Penny have Made Matt King get back quicker and make a complete tackle....?

Come on Bob, not only is King stepping in his body is turning inwards too. There is virtually no chance of him making that tackle.

people IT IS ALL Penny's FAULT

is penny still just left out or is he injured? we was even worse without him so how about we drop all the other players to????????????????????? lowes is a joke get rid ASAP