wasting your time with that mate..he strikes me as all mouth and no trousers...words are easy backing up those words are totally different

I personally think that the four first choice props will be:

Hill
Wood
Asotasi
Harrison

well, there's an incentive there for england and Riley, harrison is now on the back foot(looking at it, i don't think he was at all fit last season, or for the last 18 months) so there's a gap there in the rotation, also depends if we're going with a prop at 13 still.

Also, Ben Evans, he had somethingof a mixed game on Sunday, aside from a few iffy offloads, he certainly looks like he doesn't want farming out to london for the year.

Heard that Ben Evans will be staying with us for this season. May be to protect him from the uncertainty surrounding Bradford or perhaps TS believes we need some additional forward numbers.

Ben Currie looks like he'll end up ar 13, ball playing loose like Scully or O'loughlin in the long term.

he was trying to throw out a few a scully/lockers style passes on sunday, something i've not seen from him previously.

He was a half back at junior level

Leeds
Wire
Wigan
Saints
Hudds
Salford
Catalan
Hull
Castleford
Widnes
Hull kr
Bradford
Wakefield
London

By April or May I predict there will be a fair few users of this forum that are posting things similar to what Padders says. The big theme of the season on this forum is going to be "we made a huge error in the off season by not strengthening the team given the players we lost". The second biggest theme will be people volunteering to pay Asotasi's air fare home.

I think by the time a third of the season has passed, we will have lost more games than we would be comfortable with, including to sides that we would usually expect to have beaten, but I also expect we will still be in touch with the top because a few of the other teams around us are going to be in similar positions. Nobody at the top is really pulling away and the top of SL is slipping down towards the middle. If Huddersfield really get things right, then this season is an advantage for them as they are the team on the up whereas the others around them are standing still or slipping backwards. Saints fans seem optimistic but they don't convince me.

The stat about our recent win rate without Briers is deceptive (believe it or not, in the last four years our record without Briers has been better than our record with him) because this season we aren't just missing Briers but Briers, Hodgson, Carvell and Morley. Had we gone in to any game last season hearing that those four were out, and the replacements were relatively untried guys like Russell and England, we would have realistic expectations about that game and if we lost to a lower table team would say well its experience for the new guys, but we need to get the big guns back for the playoffs. This season the big guns are not coming back.

The optimistic expectations all seem to be based on the perfect scenario: if Ratchford and Myler have the seasons of their lives, if England turns out to be the next Chris Hill, if Asotasi recaptures his NRL form of a few years ago, if Russell's defence holds and he turns out to be the find of the year, if the centre inside Penny doesn't have shockers and leave him exposed all the time, then we will be ok but there are a lot of ifs.

There are other question marks in the team too: Atkins, Bridge, Michael Monaghan: are they the players they were when we were at our peak? All of them have shown signs of decline or patchy form, will this be reversed or continued? If its continued then this is another problem area for us.

I'm not panicking that we have become a rubbish team or are going to do a Bradford but my expectations are quite modest for this season: I don't expect us to win a trophy and I would be surprised if we made a final. I think it will be quite hard for our fans to accept after the good recent years and so I expect a turbulent year ahead on this forum.

With regards to Kevin Penny, will he actually play?

From a neutral point of view, the thought of him dislodging Riley or Monaghan from either wing spot seems a tad bizarre.

You could say the same about Rhys Williams. The coaching opinion must be that Penny is viewed as a better option than Williams as a backup winger, and perhaps even to push Riley for his spot. We can only wait and see.

I'd go along with most of what Sally said - Its going to take one hell of a coaching and man-management performance from Tony Smith to get this squad to seriously challenge for honours in 2014.

The one area we are seriously lacking in is that of any natural leaders - Michael Monaghan, probably the most obvious candidate, is a pale shadow of his former self, to the extent that I'm still shocked he got a new deal, especially as we couldn't find space to accommodate Gareth Carvell, who was close to his very best in the second half of last season.

If we are being honest, this season is make or break for Richie Myler - Yes, he's been a good performer for us since his arrival, but this year is when he truly has to step up and lead. No longer can he afford to play second fiddle and let the likes of Briers or Monaghan lead us around the park. He has to be able to show that he can dictate a game and produce moments of magic that can be the difference between winning and losing.

With this in mind, I'd really like Tony Smith to give Myler the captaincy - A little extra responsibility might be the thing that finally turns Myler into the rounded half back that we have wanted him to be, ever since we signed him.... For four years he has had more senior players to 'hide' behind, now is the time he should step up and become the senior player for others to follow.... We invested a lot of money in him, with the moment that Briers retired and Richie being able to take over, being heavily in mind - That moment has arrived and its upto Myler to prove he can become the irreplaceable player that many believed Briers was.

I'd go with Grix as Captain and Ratchford as vice Captain either way around

I like Ditas idea of making Richie Captain, I also think Micheal would make a good Captain, but as with Mickey H he will only be on the field for half the game.

As outsiders for the job how about Hilly or Trent?