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I disliked Fozzard immensely...even when he played for us, due to that ridiculous arm guard and the fact that his action was always bordering on illegal IMO. He always, always led with elbow/robot arm and without that would've been completely ineffective.

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1. Hodgson
2. Hicks
3. King
4. Davies
5. Drummond
6. Woods
7. Briers
8. Boyd
9. Monaghan
10. Morley
11. Westwood
12. Roberts
13. Gregory
Subs
14. Clark
15. Blake
16. Hill
17. Burns

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1 hodgson
2 monaghan
3 gleeson
4 davies
5 hicks
6 Nat wood
7 briers
8 morley
9 monaghan
10 carvell
11 westwood
12 grix
13 Sculthorpe

14 hill
15 clark
16 Solomona
17 cooper

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Alternative all time team, from players at their peak form:

Brett Hodgson (2011)
Richard Henare (1996)
Toa Kohe-Love (1999)
Jonathan Davies (1993/94)
Chris Hicks (2010)
Graham Appo (2003)
Chris Sandow (2016)
Chris Hill (2011)
Michael Monaghan (2011)
Adrian Morley (2010)
Ben Currie (2015)
Ben Harrison (2014)
Ben Westwood (2013)

Brent Grose (2005)
Lee Briers (2012)
Nick Fozzard (2003)
Garreth Carvell (2011)

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1. Brett Hodgson
2. Chris Hicks
3. Allan Bateman
4. Jonathan Davis
5. John Bevan
6. Lee Briers
7. Andy Gregory
8. Les Boyd
9. Daryl Clarke
10. Adrian Morley
11. Bob Eccles
12. Ben Westwood
13. Tommy Martin

14. Michael Monaghan
15. Chris Hill
16. Mike Gregory
17. Mike Nicholas

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1 Johnson
2 Hicks
3 Blake
4 Davies
5 J Bevan
6 Briers
7 A Gregory
8. Boyd
9 M Monaghan
10 Morley
11 Martyn
12 Westwood
13 M Gregory

14 Clark
15 Roberts
16 Jackson
17 Case

There's a brilliant interview on the BBC website (podcast) with Jiffy detailing his career with a lot about his time at Wilderspool for anyone who hasn't heard it.

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No short termers (old Aussie off season Blake, Davidson, Roach etc) in mine
Against my better judgement, I've also picked a pooh house (but he was rather good, I wonder if you can spot him [sizewink[/size)

1 Hodgson
2 .Drummond
3. Gleeson
4. Davies
5 Monaghan
6 Briers
7 Gregory
8 .Boyd
9 Mann
10 Morley
11 Westwood
12 Roberts
13 Gregory

14 Bateman
15 Clarke D
16 Jackson
17 Solomona

I've even got my old bugbear of goalkickers covered, by not having 1 awesome one, but 2.
(Briers as another backup, and at a push, Westwood)
Profuse apologies for no John Bevan, my first sporting hero. But you can't leave out a scoring record like Monoghan's, and Drummond was a God

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I like the selection of Solomona there lefty, I considered it myself. Thought he didn't merit inclusion on the grounds of overall contribution, compared to guys like Burns or Harrison, but if you pick a team loaded with stars, Solomona would cause carnage.

As for the pooh house, presumably Gleeson, he's down the list for me. He was good, and had an excellent first season, but if you take his other three and a half seasons I thought he was in second gear for us. Sometimes good, but a contributor to the general later Cullen era malaise that when the chips were down, some senior players didn't do enough to turn things around, they just let things drift. I got the impression with Gleeson, that he felt he was better than us, and he should have been still playing in that dominant Saints team with his old mates but was with us as a punishment for getting involved in the betting saga. He just seemed aloof and disengaged. You never got that feeling with Bateman, who would have also been justified in thinking he could have done better than some of the Wire teams he played in.

Also even if you just take contribution on the field, I don't think its clear cut that Gleeson was ahead of say Bridge, King, Kohe-Love, Atkins. Gleeson had a more reliable 'floor' to his standards and had a wider skill set than those guys, although he wasn't as quick. Those guys had longer spells with us and had times when injury or lack of form affected them but they didn't coast in second gear like Gleeson did. If you took the peak 4 year spell from any of those guys and compared it against Gleeson's spell I would take them.

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I watched the Warrington side predominantly from the late 40's to the end of the 50's and a couple of players not mentioned to date would certainly be in contention for the 17. One of my favourite scrum halves Gerry Helme and a goal kicking, ball playing second rower Harry Bath.

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D Whitehead
J Bevan
J Davies
A Bateman
D Drummand
A Murphy
P Gordon
L Boyd
D Mann
A Morley
M Robert's
T Martyn
M Gregory

K Kelly
C Winslade
B Jackson
D Clarke

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I like the selection of Solomona there lefty, I considered it myself. Thought he didn't merit inclusion on the grounds of overall contribution, compared to guys like Burns or Harrison, but if you pick a team loaded with stars, Solomona would cause carnage.

As for the pooh house, presumably Gleeson, he's down the list for me. He was good, and had an excellent first season, but if you take his other three and a half seasons I thought he was in second gear for us. Sometimes good, but a contributor to the general later Cullen era malaise that when the chips were down, some senior players didn't do enough to turn things around, they just let things drift. I got the impression with Gleeson, that he felt he was better than us, and he should have been still playing in that dominant Saints team with his old mates but was with us as a punishment for getting involved in the betting saga. He just seemed aloof and disengaged. You never got that feeling with Bateman, who would have also been justified in thinking he could have done better than some of the Wire teams he played in.

Also even if you just take contribution on the field, I don't think its clear cut that Gleeson was ahead of say Bridge, King, Kohe-Love, Atkins. Gleeson had a more reliable 'floor' to his standards and had a wider skill set than those guys, although he wasn't as quick. Those guys had longer spells with us and had times when injury or lack of form affected them but they didn't coast in second gear like Gleeson did. If you took the peak 4 year spell from any of those guys and compared it against Gleeson's spell I would take them.'"


I reckon you have picked the wrong guy. Andy Gregory is the guy he means, I think

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I reckon you have picked the wrong guy. Andy Gregory is the guy he means, I think'"

Is the correct answer. Well done DSM.

For me, Gleeson was a good guy. No poohhousedness from me.
Smith gave an ultimatum to all our players when he came. If you want out, off you go (I heard a few stories about his behaviour at the time. A good move for all concerned)
He went. We got (iirc) £150,000 + Mathers
Mathers got a CC winners medal
Gleeson got a GF winners medal. Everyone's happy.
(Some) Wire fans showed themselves up, when he went to Hull, a year or so later. They booed him, mercilessly, at the HJ, yet Carvell wasn't by the Hull fans. Rather embarrassing.
Gregory A engineered his move away, and even went on strike, despite a 2@ing off Boyd (if the stories are to be believed)

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I like the selection of Solomona there lefty, I considered it myself. Thought he didn't merit inclusion on the grounds of overall contribution, compared to guys like Burns or Harrison, but if you pick a team loaded with stars, Solomona would cause carnage.

As for the pooh house, presumably Gleeson, he's down the list for me. He was good, and had an excellent first season, but if you take his other three and a half seasons I thought he was in second gear for us. Sometimes good, but a contributor to the general later Cullen era malaise that when the chips were down, some senior players didn't do enough to turn things around, they just let things drift. I got the impression with Gleeson, that he felt he was better than us, and he should have been still playing in that dominant Saints team with his old mates but was with us as a punishment for getting involved in the betting saga. He just seemed aloof and disengaged. You never got that feeling with Bateman, who would have also been justified in thinking he could have done better than some of the Wire teams he played in.

Also even if you just take contribution on the field, I don't think its clear cut that Gleeson was ahead of say Bridge, King, Kohe-Love, Atkins. Gleeson had a more reliable 'floor' to his standards and had a wider skill set than those guys, although he wasn't as quick. Those guys had longer spells with us and had times when injury or lack of form affected them but they didn't coast in second gear like Gleeson did. If you took the peak 4 year spell from any of those guys and compared it against Gleeson's spell I would take them.'"


I put Solamona in, for sheer entertainment value. As good a ball handling forward I've seen in the P&B. There's enough "grunt" and workload in my team to afford what can be classed as luxury.

I do take your point about Gleeson. I too think his heart was never really here, BUT, he was absolute quality. You could tell from the players around him, that he was a cut above them.
On another day, I'd swap him for Bateman's bench spot, but hey-ho.

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Quote: Uncle Rico "1. Brett Hodgson
2. Chris Hicks
3. Allan Bateman
4. Jonathan Davis
5. John Bevan
6. Lee Briers
7. Andy Gregory
8. Les Boyd
9. Daryl Clarke
10. Adrian Morley
11. Bob Eccles
12. Ben Westwood
13. Tommy Martin

14. Michael Monaghan
15. Chris Hill
16. Mike Gregory
17. Mike Nicholas'"

The same 17 but I would have Tommy Martyn in the second row, Mike Gregory at loose and Eccles at sub

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Quote: Captain Hook "The same 17 but I would have Tommy Martyn in the second row, Mike Gregory at loose and Eccles at sub'"


Your obviously a good judge Captain ha ha (I never spotted it) but that team and to be fair quite a few other line ups on here would be worth the admission money and wouldn't lose many although if the same criteria was used by other clubs then their teams might take some stopping??

I did consider putting Parry Gordon at 7 but thought it's not a popularity contest so stuck with Gregory A and I also had a thought for having Solomona on the bench al a Monsieur Goldblatt

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