Can I be the first to point out that this doesn't count. Next season isn't being written into the official record books, it'll be as if it never happened.

I'll be happy to apply those guidelines if Saints win the Challenge Cup or Grand Final.

I know. It's bad enough having a record 4 game losing streak in Grand Finals. Imagine if were to be 5. I would want that stricken from the records too.

Won 4 lost 4 is a better record than played 0 lost 0 though eh?

both have a record of 0%

just my heart probably didn't ache as much as yours the last few years

0 from 4 is a miserable record to have.

although I would love to get to a grand final. so that probably stings a little bit.

but it is potential. If saints can get to 4 grand finals and throw it away each and every time.

While wire don't get there. It's like "so what"

It's extreme but think of man untd and man city.

Man city have been second fiddle to untd since at least the premier league (not my sport tbh) but the past couple of seasons (I think) they have got the talent and the results are coming. probably both wire will get to the grand final and Man city will start getting to champions league finals. I would like to think that wire will win a couple though. It looks sad going to 4 and losing them all.

must sting a little other wise you would`nt bitten...

I was thinking that the other day haha.

I remember a few months there was talk of Saints using Goodison Park for big games, I presume this was all hot air?

Do they really? Is that your final answer?

As you always used to tell Wigan fans "stop living in the past"

I'll be going on the train with a couple of mates. Will. be thier first game so i thought i'd introduce them into the game with a good game.

It must be so horrible to watch 2,320 minutes of Saints rugby over the course of a season, and then watch as the dream collapses within the final 80. And that happened 4 years in a row.

If we played 2,320 minutes of RL to get to the GF, I'm sure we'd at least give it a decent shot for the last 80.

Imagine that though, 9,120 minutes of RL played over 4 seasons, and yet over the final 320 minutes you don't bother turning up. It's not a nice record to have.

Gut wrenching, simply gut wrenching.

What sounds better

Losing 4 grand finals
or
Never being beat in a GF

now now children