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I thought if I absorb the abuse I get on here, then the pressure is off all the other posters.

I am Karl Fitzpatrick and I claim my own fiver.

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Quote: Philth "You can't lose that many players in one hit, you probably wont recruit that many in an off season. The transition for Powell has to be years in the making unfortunately.

I'll take a punt at the following extension (assuming they want to stay)

Ratch
Billy M
Mulhean
Dean
Gannon
Charnley (50/50 here)
Cooper
Davis

Out are

Hughes
Doro
Robson (i like but he probably needs to leave if he wants a RL career)
Butler
Widdop'"


Why Davis? He is way off the required standard.

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Quote: Philth "You can't lose that many players in one hit, you probably wont recruit that many in an off season. The transition for Powell has to be years in the making unfortunately.

I'll take a punt at the following extension (assuming they want to stay)

Ratch
Billy M
Mulhean
Dean
Gannon
Charnley (50/50 here)
Cooper
Davis

Out are

Hughes
Doro
Robson (i like but he probably needs to leave if he wants a RL career)
Butler
Widdop'"


Agree with those lists, I guess for ratch, mulhern, Charnley, gannon and Davis it depends what they would be willing to accept as a wage and what they are offered elsewhere in terms of cash and opportunity. Mulhern has been quite good, but we really need to improve the front row and if the cap space is needed to bring in better in that position and to get better squad balance then unfortunately he may end up being released too.

The only players I'd be gutted to lose really are Dean, Cooper and ratchford, BUT I'd also be gutted if thewlis doesn't have the 1 shirt next season so I'd totally understand if ratch went elsewhere for guaranteed games or contract length. Magoulias I would like us to keep as I think he has a lot of talent but I havent seen enough to know it will work out for either party yet. Gannon hasn't had a chance but if he is deemed not good enough then so be it. Charnley is quality but I expect a high earner too, if he wants to stay on lesser terms then that would be absolutely fine by me.

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Jason Clark - release - will probably end up doing a season at Leigh/Toulouse or straight back to Oz
Stefan Ratchford - retain, lower contract.. More game time to Thewlis who should be our long term number 1
Josh Charnley - 50/50 started off well but nosed dived after ban
Mike Cooper - retain but hearing we are after 2/3 props, could be moved to 13
Gareth Widdop - release, not been good enough so far on a lot of money
Jack Hughes - release, covers a few positions but let’s be honest bang average
Matt Davis - 50/50, doesn’t get into side often enough but when he does he tries hard but lacks size
Keanan Brand - release, not good enough for me
Ellis Robson - release due to lack of first opportunities
Rob Butler - release see above
Robbie Mulhern - extend 2 years - one of our better forwards this year but again if we are after 2/3 props so will depend on salary cap
Riley Dean - retain, 2 years at least
Eribe Doro - release, not good enough for me
Jacob Gannon - retain
Billy Magoulias - 50/50 not really seeing it from him yet!

Hopefully we are in the market for 2/3 big mobile middle forwards, other than that we should be after a good replacement at 6 as I doubt Widdop will be here next season.

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Quote: Wires71 "Why Davis? He is way off the required standard.'"


Davis was kept by me because of attitude, seems to have the effort. Powell did a very decent job at Cas on people with effort but maybe lacked finesse. Think Davis might well be one to be moulded.

He's also got a sprinkle of versatility which can help.

That being said, i wouldn't be surprised if Powell let him go, I just think he'll keep him if the £'s work.

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I like Davis, but he's too small and doesn't offer anything different to counteract his size.

I hope he gets a decent sl contract somewhere though

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Yes he works hard and has a good attitude, but that is not enough for a team that wants to win a GF. I think he would be a solid Championship player, and would wish him all the best.

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Quote: Mighty_Wires88 "Jason Clark - release - will probably end up doing a season at Leigh/Toulouse or straight back to Oz
Stefan Ratchford - retain, lower contract.. More game time to Thewlis who should be our long term number 1
Josh Charnley - 50/50 started off well but nosed dived after ban
Mike Cooper - retain but hearing we are after 2/3 props, could be moved to 13
Gareth Widdop - release, not been good enough so far on a lot of money
Jack Hughes - release, covers a few positions but let’s be honest bang average
Matt Davis - 50/50, doesn’t get into side often enough but when he does he tries hard but lacks size
Keanan Brand - release, not good enough for me
Ellis Robson - release due to lack of first opportunities
Rob Butler - release see above
Robbie Mulhern - extend 2 years - one of our better forwards this year but again if we are after 2/3 props so will depend on salary cap
Riley Dean - retain, 2 years at least
Eribe Doro - release, not good enough for me
Jacob Gannon - retain
Billy Magoulias - 50/50 not really seeing it from him yet!

Hopefully we are in the market for 2/3 big mobile middle forwards, other than that we should be after a good replacement at 6 as I doubt Widdop will be here next season.'"


Looking at the extension list I can see no player who will get more than 2 years and that is quite right in my opinion.

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Quote: Wires71 "Looking at the extension list I can see no player who will get more than 2 years and that is quite right in my opinion.'"


Given what happened to the form of the recent guys we allocated long term contracts, I have to agree with you.

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Am I missing something here we kind of all agree Thewlis must have the number 1 shirt so why retain Ratchford. I ask this because if we kept that would possibly mean taking up a bench spot which we often say our bench is light so I don’t see where he fits, only place I could see him would be at 13 and not many clubs play with a ball player in that position any more, Simon Grix was last one we had. Btw I’m not anti Ratchford just Thewlis is deemed the future now.

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Quote: karetaker "Am I missing something here we kind of all agree Thewlis must have the number 1 shirt so why retain Ratchford. I ask this because if we kept that would possibly mean taking up a bench spot which we often say our bench is light so I don’t see where he fits, only place I could see him would be at 13 and not many clubs play with a ball player in that position any more, Simon Grix was last one we had. Btw I’m not anti Ratchford just Thewlis is deemed the future now.'"



I’m inclined to agree. At the start of the season I was all for keeping Ratchford, but seeing Thewlis this year, I think it’s time.

That cash could be used to turn a little prop into a big one.

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Quote: Wires71 "Looking at the extension list I can see no player who will get more than 2 years and that is quite right in my opinion.'"


Exactly the way it should be, given the way we are playing at the moment. Give a player a 3 year deal and more often then not, the season after they don’t quite reach their previous heights when trying for a new contract ie King & Philbin. I know it’s probably not as simply as that, but there seems to be a abit of a pattern especially at Warrington.

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Quote: Barbed Wire "I’m inclined to agree. At the start of the season I was all for keeping Ratchford, but seeing Thewlis this year, I think it’s time.

That cash could be used to turn a little prop into a big one.'"


Reason being Ratchford covers a lot positions, he’s not quite got the pace of other fullbacks in the league but he reads the game pretty well at 1, he doesn’t get injured often and doesn’t have a lot of bad games. There’s also other factors like goal kicking, leadership, experience etc

Obviously, its all down to personal preference but I think he offers a lot more then some of the other deadwood in the squad. Thewlis is still finding his way at fullback, so I reckon another season under Stef’s wing he will be ready.

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Quote: karetaker "Am I missing something here we kind of all agree Thewlis must have the number 1 shirt so why retain Ratchford. I ask this because if we kept that would possibly mean taking up a bench spot which we often say our bench is light so I don’t see where he fits, only place I could see him would be at 13 and not many clubs play with a ball player in that position any more, Simon Grix was last one we had. Btw I’m not anti Ratchford just Thewlis is deemed the future now.'"


Not a starting 13 player for 2023, if all personnel are available, but can cover the Centre, Halfback, Fullback and Hooker positions as required when other players have injuries.

As a substitute he can cover the above positions as necessary, as well as giving the starting Number 9 a breather too

So for me Ratchford could be kept as a squad player, but whether he would stay. depends on offers he gets from other clubs

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Quote: Mighty_Wires88 "Reason being Ratchford covers a lot positions, he’s not quite got the pace of other fullbacks in the league but he reads the game pretty well at 1, he doesn’t get injured often and doesn’t have a lot of bad games. There’s also other factors like goal kicking, leadership, experience etc

Obviously, its all down to personal preference but I think he offers a lot more then some of the other deadwood in the squad. Thewlis is still finding his way at fullback, so I reckon another season under Stef’s wing he will be ready.'"



ratch has mentored a few replacement fb's now, russell, GOB, dagger and now thewlis.

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