How were the Watkins and 2 Hall tries, refs tries?

Very much like Leeds looked last year. Keep the faith would be my advice, I don't think for a minute your team's finished just yet.

But this is pretty ridiculous. CBA pointing out where you're wrong; read back through the thread and you'll find your own fans do it pretty concisely.

But, like I said, I suspect wire will come good - though hopefully not quite good enough - when it matters.

Leeds were far more polished and clinical when needed. A bit like the GF to be honest. Childs display was shocking though. Any ball out in the tackle from a Wire player (knock one) Leeds (stripped). Should stick to touch judging.

KNUCKLES

every try we got was due to good rugby

I imagine we had similar threads to this at the same point last year when we were only one win better off. Last year didn't turn out too badly.

Haven't done the sums but I'm pretty sure our points collected this year from the same games last year is about the same. That's not the say this trend will continue but it probably does mean that it's a bit early to write the team off just yet.

I though Child was poor but that's just because he's not very good. That's not his fault but it would be helpful if he found something better to do with his time. However he was not the deciding factor in the game. Referee's tend not to be. The two biggest factors were Leeds' performance and our performance. Theirs was much better than ours so they won.

We're not playing very well at the moment. I think we'll get better and I'm still hopeful of a good season.

Another predictably poor performance.. Just like the saints game... amazingly the bookmakers still think we are the league side of 2 years ago. Easy money betting on Leeds last night.

We are certainly playing poorly atm. I was going to say that the loss of Monas as a key player was a critical factor, but last year he had knee problems and was nowhere near his best. We have lost Briers this year, but we are going to lose him permanently in the near future anyway. Hodgson is slower, and is making more mistakes. Despite the fact that he has played a lot of games, he could be approaching the end as well. And finally there is Morley, he is missed as he is still one of our best forwards, and provides leadership. But he is also close to the exit.

So we have 'lost' or are close to losing 4 key players in the team. These three / four provide the creative plays that lead to tries, and they provide leadership (as a team, we look like a 'headless chicken' at times). Add to this the loss of confidence due to the manner in which we are playing, (not simply the defeats) and I think you can account for a lot of the problems.

We are not quite at the half way point yet, and the return of Briers and Morley will certainly provide a significant boost to the second half of the year, but at the moment I am starting to question the wisdom of retaining some of our ageing stars quite this long. Hopefully, the likes of Currie, 2 x Evans and Dwyer will come through this year and become regular 1st team players next year. But that will still need a gap to be filled. We need some top class replacements.

Does anyone think like me that the team is still suffering from the Grand Final defeat. I know I am.

I was high up in the East stand so had a good overview and we looked like we could have been passed round almost at will, our shape didn't look good at all.

Plus points, J.Mon, Ratchford (except his kicking) Ben Currie and Grix.

Losing the ball in tackle constantly, silly penalties, wrong decision making?

Frustrating game, something isn't quite right and i won't have it that it's down to either Moz or Briers not being there.

To me its looks like discontent in the camp..the team spirit just didn't seem to be there this year..big shout for Grix though he was our one shining light..Higham, Joel and young Currie all at least looked like they were trying..

We are missing the player who controls our attack and the player who leads our defensive line. I am just looking forward to when we get them back on the pitch.

Why did Hodgson attempt to catch that ball in goal, it would have gone out, just leave it man, they scored of that set.

We look for the offload when it's not always on, sometimes the best option is to take the tackle.

Westwood is out of sorts this season.
Atkins is dreadful, passes when he shouldn't and doesn't when he should, his defending his dire and partly the reason Riley is made to look as bad as he has been.

Future captain material is definitely Ratchford, he's confident and has a swagger about him BUT his kicking needs to improve, it wasn't smart kicking at times and rushed.

Ben Currie's confidence is growing with every game and i'm personally really chuffed for the lad.

Grix is ever dependable
Doggie is easily one of top 3 wingers in the league.
Higham, what's happened to this guy, looking fantastic lately.