Or maybe Wigan have better professionals with more desire so Peet has the raw materials already.

So what is he doing about it? He’s essentially shopping Cooper around, but picking him every week. Then changes Davis, Clark, Magoulias, Longstaff. So, I’ve had an argument with you, you’re a bad Apple, you need to get out of the club… but start on Friday and I’ll drop someone else. Stupid.

If he’s a bad Apple, stop playing him. He’s picking the same players time and again, or are Riley Dean and Rob Butler causing the disruption in the camp?

He may have not inherited the 2006 saints, but it’s better than 2003 Halifax that we’ve currently got

I agree with this and wish he would just bin them. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place though because if we were to omit all the players not pulling their weight, then there wouldn't be enough proven talent left to select from. The problem is as well, is that it only takes 3/4/5 say influential players to get hacked off, and their bad energy transcends amongst other players and you end up with a general malaise as we had yesterday.

There’s a line between players who he can’t the best out of and players who are bad apples though. It’s important that we recognise that.

Cooper wouldn’t be sought after by Wigan and, in particular Briers, if he was a bad lad.

Zac Hardaker is a bad lad.. and Leeds wanted him. And he ripped us apart last night. Much like Cooper will do when he plays against us next year..

Unless the rabble start to pull their fingers out, we won't be playing cooper's new team next season!

Like Cooper ripped Leeds apart last night?

That’s all well and good, but what if they win the “ four pointer” when we play each other, they’ll only be one win away from us

Well, Bodene Thompson scored a couple last night.....

He scored 1 if you call dropping the ball over the line a try

Wigan fan here,I come in peace.

Shocked by that performance the other night,but what’s written here is pretty much bob on there are to many “old timers” clearly need clearing out,new broom etc he’s got to be given the time and I’m sure he will get it too the board seem to be backing him with the prop situation so I’d expect them to stand by him.

He clearly wants to change the culture at Warrington,I pinch myself when I see the job Matty Peet is doing at Wigan (alongside Briers of course) change can happen quickly if you’re lucky,if not then a root and branch rebuild is needed I suspect that’s what Powell thinks is needed and he’s possibly right to if you’re being honest,the club has at best stood still,the competition needs a strong Wire,Leeds side to make it interesting and I’m sure this is short term pain for Wire.

From an outsider looking in it does sound as though players are getting hacked off and its crept into most of the team and spilling onto the terraces. Can't understand how you can put in good performances against Saints and then play abysmal after a reasonable start against other teams.

Powell has to take most of the blame he's draining the heart and soul out of the club, there has to be a turning point before it gets a longer term problem.

You say Powell has to take most of the blame. Do blame him for the past 6/7 years worth of mediocrity too? Most people can see its a player problem as our track record illustrates this clearly. These players have underperformed under 3 coaches. Powell has a track record of improving players and teams, this group of players has a record of underperforming. So Judderman, I'm guessing you think it's not the players? 3 coaches haven't got a tune out of these players and you think it's Powells fault?

With squad reboots, things normally get worse before they get better. Is it any wonder some of the players arent performing when Powell is asking them to put the required effort in - this lot just want an easy ride

The wigoons had a similar problem but not on the same scale, Peet has transformed on what was basically Lam's team, he's brought about togetherness and they are all playing off the same hymn sheet now and gaining confidence.

For me the Wire team is very fragmented their a lot of decent players in that team but they are playing like individuals with no leaders and not for one another, its Powell job to create a team, physically and mentally strong, the latter is in short supply once that goes then confidence goes.

It will be interesting to see if Amor mentions anything at the end of the season about the club structure, culture and ethics at the Wire and if the approach is very different to his career at Saints.