2017.

2006 before that. We actually beat you 3 times that year.

Nope he didn't make the squad, Price clearly easing him in slowly this season.

You should still be able to see whether the team has improved or not, through the season, not just wait for one or two games and judge it off that.

Take Tony Smith's first two seasons, 2009 and 2010. In both seasons, when it came to the Challenge Cup big games, we won. But you could also make a fair judgement that we were better in 2010 than in 2009.

I don't buy this idea that the playoffs are an entirely random competition once you get there. Some of these league fixtures expose weaknesses that we have that will get ruthlessly exposed in a big game.

The irony is that if we end up playing Saints in the Grand Final and lose, people on here will say we "bottled it" as though once again we have gone in as hot favourites, and blown it on the big occasion against a team we really should have beaten, when really, we're going to go in as underdogs for a reason.

Note I am still pretty much expecting us to make both Wembley and Old Trafford, which means I'm implicitly discounting the idea that any team like Cas, Hull or Wigan would get there ahead of us. I am probably just as deluded as anyone on that front.

Shows poor squad management/team selection for me; surely wiser to give him his first proper run out against Salford at Home than tricky Cas away or a CC Semi Final.

At the very least he’d have shown more enthusiasm than some of that shower last night.

Yeah i don't get why we'd give him 20 mins last week then simply leave him out this week, seems bizzare unless he was awful which by all accounts he did ok. Should have been on the bench again this week.

He's had a baby in the mean time. Maybe his partner needed him more than us.

I was in Patton’s corner at the start but let’s be honest, he’s looking like a kid pretending to play halfback in his garden. He can’t think fast enough, waits for the perfect opportunity to present itself rather than creating it.

Mamo shows sparks of some great stuff but isn’t anywhere near as consistent as Ratchford. Okay as support but prefer him on the edge rather than at the back.

Again, we lacked that killer instinct. It’s not just going to come out of the box ready made in the playoffs. We need to be rehearsing it now.

We have one of the modern era's best half backs on the coaching staff . You would think he would be able to improve Patton's game even with just a few tweaks here & there.

The thing is with Briers however inconsistent he was he was always capable of creating something. Regrettably I don’t see that in Patton. But there doesn’t seem to be any alternative unless Price decides to go left field and play eg Livett there.
“We’re doomed I tell ye...”

Did we all see the wind ups he was doing in order to pass the ball?

Do I think Patton is good enough? Not really. Do I think he was the reason we lost? Not really. I agree with FMC that the Charnley no try had an affect on our demeanour we were quickly and very obviously a beaten team.

I can't understand with Hill Cooper BMM Ratchford and Brown out, Westwood and Atkins seemingly out of favour, we have Livett and Johnson out on loan and Burrell not in contention it doesn't make sense to me at all a paper thin squad of our own making.

We don't appear to have a settled team and our form is iffy bordering on whiffy, places for the showpiece games should be up for grabs no one should be safe. Unless of course Price is as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed professor of cunning at Chester University

Ahhhh fair play

I agree Patton wasn’t the reason we lost. I hope Price will give some of those on the edges of the squad a go and prove he is Cunning McCunning prof of Cunning at Cunningchester Uni

There's short memories on here.
Briers wasn't the gods gift people like to keep measuring Patton too.
Briers came good only after a clean up threat following years of mediocrity, to play playing behind Morley Carvel Anderson's Waterhouse Monaghan Higham Wood Westwood.....
My Granny would be MOS at half back behind that pack...
Patton was behind Tasi and a host of backrowers on Friday that would even be in our 25 squad 7 years ago.

Just get off your Patton scapegoating, Briers sun shines out of his backside garbage, and look at the woods behind the trees

We could all go round and round but at the end of the day Dec Patton is simply crap. End of.