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| A resounding stay. We gave Cullen years without 3 CC and a League Leaders shield in 4 years.
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| If Smith goes Agar will be head coach, that's pretty much guaranteed. He will have till the end of the season and probably start next year and if we are not doing too well Agar would be jettisoned at that point.
Question is who to come in after that.
Who do you think would be the next coach that would be an improvement on Tony Smith?
Noble is the only credible contender for me, although given Salford's bright start Iestyn Harris' star is rising. Powell, Anderson, Harris and Betts are the most impressive of the upcoming English coaches, but Powell and Anderson are less likely to leave their clubs.
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| I've always like John Kear.
And NZ boss Kearney.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "If we get beat by Wakefield I will turn my attention to the Championship and study our threats to play SL in 2016.'"
You would have to be very very bad to beaten by us.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "If Smith goes Agar will be head coach, that's pretty much guaranteed. He will have till the end of the season and probably start next year and if we are not doing too well Agar would be jettisoned at that point.
Question is who to come in after that.
Who do you think would be the next coach that would be an improvement on Tony Smith?
Noble is the only credible contender for me, although given Salford's bright start Iestyn Harris' star is rising. Powell, Anderson, Harris and Betts are the most impressive of the upcoming English coaches, but Powell and Anderson are less likely to leave their clubs.'"
I'm surprised that you haven't sacked Agar already. He's done nothing with Hull or Wakefield, and seems to be working wonders with you.
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| Id be interested to know why Agar was in the box yesterday and not TS.
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| Quote: Gazwire "Keep faith. We've had similar situations at the start of every season where we start slow and certain fans call for a replacement. And every time he's turned it around. There's one thing for sure, I wouldn't want any other coach other than TS to steer us 'round this lull. Sh@t happens but form is temporary and class is permanent and TS will sort it out. I'm looking forward to putting a wager on a Wire when oddschecker odds go down, ala the guy who posted recently about a 14/1 bet on Leeds when they were in a similar situation to us before winning the Gf.'"
I love your optimism. We need more fans like you.
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| Quote: madmuppet "Id be interested to know why Agar was in the box yesterday and not TS.'"
Getting ready to take over as Head Coach at the end of the season.....
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| If things remain the same the buck will stop with Smith It's his team he chose Agar as assistant, IF the players have an issue with Agar then they will have an issue with Smith, the issue is they are so called professional players so there's a new broom get on with it.
Smith will not do a Waney but he is alluding to some players not being there yet, he must know he has problems as most players are not doing it for him, has he got it in him to do what is needed, I feel the main problem is leadership.
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| If there's one coach in Rugby League that can turn this dross around it's Tony Smith.
A resounding "stay" from me.
It's Agar to go for me. He could only put the cones out at training and I'd still want him out. He's clearly cursed.
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| On Richard Agar....When in the history of rugby league has it been an assistant coaches fault that a team plays poor and he had been sacked while the coach stays on....
I know Sean long left Salford but he resigned when Noble came in....Which everyone expected would happen. And he left Wigan after a few months but he was coaching the kids if I remember correctly. ( Be interesting to see if saints fans rip into Long if they lose another on the bounce. ..)
Other than that i can't recall any blame being pined on an assistant...
Hull fans weren't that vocal when Agar was assistant in an challenge cup win and a grand final appearance. He may in fact be a Sammy Lee... A very good assistant just a first team coach. Two completely different roles.
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| Thing what gets me though is if people are saying that Smith takes a back seat to coaching and focuses on the tactical/technical side of things, then why is he known as "Director or Coaching & Rugby"? Shouldn't it be in the Rugby Union mould whereby he is "Director of Rugby" and Agar will be "Head Coach" because he's the primary coaching figure, yet it's the DOR that gives the pre/post match interviews.....
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| I would think Agar like any Assistant coach would follow the head coach's instructions, as for Mona's it may have been too early for him, being a bit close to his mates a brother who is captain, clouded judgement and all that, could be the similar too for Briers.
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| Quote: ricominciare "I would think Agar like any Assistant coach would follow the head coach's instructions, as for Mona's it may have been too early for him, being a bit close to his mates a brother who is captain, clouded judgement and all that, could be the similar too for Briers.'"
Disagree with that, especially as when KC took over as Head Coach of Saints, he brought in his old mate Sean Long as assistant.
That's not worked out too badly for them. (yes, I know they have lost their last 3 games, but they did win their first 6)
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| Smith should stay. This is the first real sign of trouble since he has been here so we shouldn't just get rid. He is a top coach so give him time.
However the concerning thing isn't that we have lost 5 of our last 6, it's the performances we are putting in. We started the season defending well, shown best against leeds. But now our defence has gone to pieces, and if you look at our attack over the games, it doesn't look good.
Saints: 4 tries. 3 from scoots and 1 from a charge down
Leeds: 1 solo effort, 1 from a kick, 1 from a knock on.
So we haven't created much all season but our defence won us a few games. Our defence now has collapsed and we have the worst attack in the league.
It can't be a coincidence that since agar came in we have became so predictable and not creative with the ball.
Only 4 years ago when it was common knowledge that briers, monaghan and hodgson came up with most of the attack we were such an exciting team to watch. Those 3 no longer play and it seems Agar has taken over the attacking duties and it's clearly showing on the pitch.
We are also still a halfback short. I'm not debating who should play there, I think if we are honest with ourselves none of them are good enough for our squad.
If the rumours about signing a halfback for next season are true, the club need to announce it ASAP. If we know that at least next season we will have a halfback it might calm everyone down a bit this year.
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