that only started to happen when Hill came on and set an example for all the older more experienced players.

You think we will play like that in 6 months?

You think we'll play that stupidly in one month?

Tony Smith will shoot a rocket up certaina rses. I can see some players running laps at training.

We will improve and prepare better for the weather turn.

The ground didn't beat us last september, pooe discipline did

Maybe we need to find a coach who will instill some basics into the lads.....Its obvious to us all we have the players, but the instructions they are being sent out onto the pitch with are totally wrong??

Sally?

Woah. Most unwelcome High School P.E. flashbacks.

The exact point I'm making. You are spot on.

I like that Tony Smith puts an emphasis on entertainment. But, I thought he got it wrong tonight tactically. Had Wire played out a few more sets at the start of each half then they could have won the game IMO.

I know set completion is not everything but at one point it was 25% for wire. You simply will not win against any team with a stat like that.

I'm not getting too excited though, had Monaghan played you probably would have won the game. Same for saints with Roby. It would be a worry for both sides if those players were not playing at the back end of the year though.

How serious is the shoulder injury to Ratchford ?
I thought his loss was a big blow.

you cant win a game making that many mistakes.... i dont care who you are.

we couldn't have made that game any harder for us to win if we had tried.... after the first few handling errors we should have put the ball up the jersey and got the completion rate up... but we didnt... we just got even worse.... it was a very amateurish display that smacked of complacency.

I agree. You only get better by making mistakes like certain players did at the back end of last year. Smith won't accept poor individual performances and I'm sure he'll make that known

I'm definitely not panicking and i reckon theres more we can take from that than from duffing somebody by 30 points

Hopefully the players will watch this game back and learn a few lessons about ball retention.

are you blind?

Considering how many errors we made, I thought our defence was outstanding. 4/5 years ago, Leeds would have put 50/60 on us if we played like that.

we haven't had a discourse that fast paced and interesting in weeks and I hope there is a similiar story in the dressing room.

Beating Wigan and Saints are the big challenges ahead and that is where the focus should be now (no offense to Wakefield and I'm sure TS shares my senitment)

The "So world champions"? bit of jealousy there I feel!

It may have only been 8 points, but really should have been 12-14...I have no Idea why that try was disallowed for obstruction!!

but was a great game in bad conditions, and remember we were missing JJB also

And you guys complaining about Wire not completing a simple set....I have been saying that about Leeds for years haha, but when that offload does work its great