One of the most ridiculous aspects of Wire recruitment has been signing props who are regularly getting suspended & who can only play in ten minute stints.

So you are suggesting as I said we should go with a full team of kids at prop?

Walters 22, Byrne 23, Havard 22, Hill 19, Smithies 22, all already getting regular SL game time and will continue to even with old man Ellis 25 re signed.

Add to this we are letting Mago 28, Singleton 30 and Isa 34 go at the end of the year, we probably need more old heads to come in and support the development of our young pack.

If you are trying to compare Ellis with Crowther on ability….I can only assume you are not a good judge of rugby players or are being very ironic.

jonh " one who couldn’t get a game in a powederpuff Wigan pack"

If you are referring to Bullock. I think he has done pretty well in a Warrington shirt and deserves more minutes in my view. He runs the ball up strongly and shows more enthusiasm than another ex-Wiganner, a certain Mr. Dudson.

jonh"So you are suggesting as I said we should go with a full team of kids at prop?"

Nope - and how you got that from what I said, I don't know. In response to NSW criticising our youth policy as one which might "alienate" our youth players, I simply intended to point out that signing Ellis, who hasn't set the world on fire, on a 3 year deal might cause some disenchantment among the Wigan youth players. I also, in no way, wished to compare the relative abilities of Ellis and Crowther. If I'm honest, I can't recall ever seeing Crowther play. I've seen Ellis a few times and I though his performance in the CC against us was one of his better ones.

Of course, having to spell out every nuance of what you write can often take away from its effect.

Had I realised my comments were going to stretch your 3 GCSEs to bursting point, I might have kept my powder dry...

So you were speculating about how our 5 SL middles under 24 could be feeling aggrieved by us resigning a current team mate whilst letting 3 older lads who have played as middles this year go?

Whilst defending the fact you are bringing in a player on a short term loan who cannot get in the bottom of the tables team at the expense of dropping one of your youngsters. How ironic.

I think 3 GCSEs is being kind. Any youngsters been dropped for Crowther yet?

Yup. He’s like s**t on a blanket - can’t seem to shake him off.

Well no because you haven’t played a game since he signed and they won’t be this weekend either because you got dumped out of the cup by a team playing with 12 men for nearly the entire match.

Imagine coming on a discussion forum and having a discussion.

What next?

Very ironic.

I get the impression that most of our recruitment decisions have been kick started by the words I have a cunning plan, for some considerable time.