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Quote: Superblue " but if I remember correctly the Warrington North MP explained the circumstances as unexpected reaction to medication she had been prescribed, but did apologise in any case
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Quote: Superblue "Whataboutary Jack
It's not whataboutery, the whole reason for Johnson's visit was hospital-related. Our Conservative MP, who accompanied him, is lobbying for a new hospital. Him getting a positive impression of the town makes it more likely for that to happen, regardless of the fact a new hospital for us is well overdue.

As I said, things are never that black or white but I mentioned in my first post in this thread where my vote went. But I think that is irrelevant here. We live in a democracy and this country, and this town, gave him more votes than anyone else.

I just find it hard to be angry at the club for a photo op with the man the town voted for.

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Quote: Jack Napier "I just find it hard to be angry at the club for a photo op with the man the town voted for.'"


Well they didn't vote for him.

So you need to do some maths.

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Quote: Jack Napier "Our Conservative MP, who accompanied him, is lobbying for a new hospital.'"

Is he? It’s a shame Mr Carter lobbied against giving free school meals to starving kids.

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Quote: Sadfish "Well they didn't vote for him.

So you need to do some maths.'"


Sadly more people voted for Conservative in the town than Labour. Not sure what maths I need to do?

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Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Is he? It’s a shame Mr Carter lobbied against giving free school meals to starving kids.'"


He is, yeah, and hopefully he's successful in doing so but probably won't be.

And you're right, it is a shame. One of the reasons I don't like him and thankfully he's not my MP.

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Quote: Jack Napier "Sadly more people voted for Conservative in the town than Labour. Not sure what maths I need to do?'"


Indeed. 2019 Election Results.

Warrington South - Conservative: 28,187, Labour: 26,177
Warrington North - Conservative: 19,102, Labour: 20,611

Warrington Total - Conservative: 47,289 Labour: 46,788

Maybe this was the mathematics Sadfish was enquiring about.

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Quote: Wires71 "Indeed. 2019 Election Results.

Warrington South - Conservative

Thanks for your message but ........

Warrington South
For Johnson 28,187
Against Johnson 33,712

Warrington North
For Johnson 19,102
Against Johnson 27,565

Pretty simple.

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This thread is far too political. It was just a publicity stunt. There aren’t many chances to advertise a Rugby League club by giving a shirt to a World Leader. The nearest we got previously was Nancy Pelosi.

FWIW I believe neither Pelosi or Johnson or any cronies were in the away end at Saints so we can rest assured no one will be accusing us of ‘selling out’ our principles in the future. And even if they did become Barmy Army regulars it would at least open more opportunities for wealthy investment, ready for when the salary cap goes.

I believe we are also Putin’s RL club of choice, he just doesn’t like the colours.

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Quote: Sadfish "Thanks for your message but ........

Warrington South
For Johnson 28,187
Against Johnson 33,712

Warrington North
For Johnson 19,102
Against Johnson 27,565

Pretty simple.'"


Ah, you brought out the technicality. How clever of you.

The point remains either way you look at it, the Conservatives were the most popular party in the town. And Johnson was voted in thanks to our flawed FPTP system.

My point is, due to those facts, I find it hard to be outraged at the club, even though I don't like it personally.

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Quote: Jack Napier "It's not whataboutery, the whole reason for Johnson's visit was hospital-related. Our Conservative MP, who accompanied him, is lobbying for a new hospital. Him getting a positive impression of the town makes it more likely for that to happen, regardless of the fact a new hospital for us is well overdue.

As I said, things are never that black or white but I mentioned in my first post in this thread where my vote went. But I think that is irrelevant here. We live in a democracy and this country, and this town, gave him more votes than anyone else.

I just find it hard to be angry at the club for a photo op with the man the town voted for.'"


The crux of the matter remains that Warrington RLFC gave a political platform to a divisive, unprincipled, serial liar and no amount of your whataboutary changes that. icon_biggrin.gif
You talk about democracy, but this guy has redefined “do as I say not as I do” semi- authoritarianism as democracy, a decent guy would have resigned by now, but the likes of Andy Carter reject the opportunity to remove him from the office he disgraces.
To suggest that it should be acceptable to the Warrington public along the last national election voting lines is pathetic and desperate.
Quite clearly the big majority of the Warrington voters , including many decent conservative voters, will be appalled with Warrington RLFC in supporting this shoddy attempt at vote garnering for Andy Carter in the Warrington RLFC fan base icon_biggrin.gif
Indeed local democracy totally rejects the guy and what he stands for.
But at least Johnson will be pleased he can rely on you.
Warrington RLFC should hang their heads in shame icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Jack Napier "Ah, you brought out the technicality. How clever of you.

The point remains either way you look at it, the Conservatives were the most popular party in the town. And Johnson was voted in thanks to our flawed FPTP system.

My point is, due to those facts, I find it hard to be outraged at the club, even though I don't like it personally.'"


No you said "I just find it hard to be angry at the club for a photo op with the man the town voted for."

Which is not true as more people didn't vote for his party than did in the town.

My point is correct, it is not a technicality.

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And i think we'll leave it there, sin bin is that way *points* the warrington guardian facebook page is that way *points*

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