Bit early to call it yet. We will probably finish 3rd but 6th could be any one of four teams, possibly five as it's possible Wigan may not win another this year.

You'd think Dodd and Welsby were Lockyer and Johns if you believed Bill Arthur

We spent half the game in our own 30 because of their line speed and spoiling. Not hard to play well when they start sets in our half and that is down to forwards before all else. Williams and Widdop were very good. And I'm done fearing Saints, that stopped a good few years ago when I realised they haven't beat us in a knockout game since 2010 or something silly. Our problem is falling to teams who we would handily beat if we didn't decide to implode against the likes of Cas and Huddersfield.

Fair Enough your entitled to your opinion..if lineham makes you happy and widdops disappearance fills you full of joy then fill your boots full to top..back to you clown

I never said Lineham makes me happy (although he has done more than enough generally to earn some respect that you seem to lack for him), and Widdop did not go missing, you would do well to watch it again if you believe that tripe.

Are you actuary transitioning to a wire steph? It would be like the world's ugliest caterpillar slowly turning into a butterfly, or are you just bipolar? Maybe you're a bit like Gollum? The gene pool can be cruel in that part of the world after all.

If by a remote possibility it's the former then please adapt to socially acceptable behavioural traits rather than carrying on with the old steph or you'll be having to reinvent yourself again before you know it.

Saints are the best side in the league when it comes to-

Line speed

General defence

Kick chase

Support play

Play acting

Playing the ref

Winding the opposition up

A tough side to beat when it’s all combined.

Ok, tonight we got beat and it was painful,, but spare a thought for those poor people in the West Stsnd.....tomorrow when they wake up, theyll still be in St Helens.

Saints do their usual lap of honour after winning a league game which makes no difference to our position.. Well done. We'll spank you in the play offs like we ALWAYS do!

Strange reaction against a team they don't consider rivals and who accuse us of treating the game like a cup final. If we get past our game against whoever finishes sixth I'm confident we'll win the whole thing, unfortunately I'm not confident about that first game.

I would love to blame the RFL and Liam Moore but as an adult I'll acknowledge that Saints were the better team tonight and deserved to win.

I’ll say it again…

PACKS WIN GAMES

They smashed us, far too weak, far too predictable 4 up drives. Same shat Price tac tic that once again have us 2 scores down.

All on the RedVee are convinced they won the game in the middle backs, completely missing the reason being our pack was smashed!

In fairness RD quite a few are saying their pack battered ours which it did but their ruck speed killed us and that’s something no other team seems to match but overall quite a few poor individual performances from a few of our players most notably Widdop,Lineham and Hughes and why price continues to pick Sita is baffling as he’s totally ineffective bar the first few hits but on the bright side Williams is looking class even a few games in but sorry for me the GF a year to early.

Walmsley in that first stint was absolutely tearing us apart, no surprise we scored our 2 tries after he went off, If we play again and Cooper is back that will help massively, jack hughes and Jason clark in the same side just doesn’t work! to many plodders last night, fair play to saints top performance by a top side. They still won’t want to have us in that semi though that’s for sure and I truly believe we’re the team that will have the biggest hope of stopping their 3 peat .

We’ve played Saints, Wigan and Catalan six times in total and won five of them. We packed go forward and bad decisions on the last tackle. Saints were better and we lost. I’d take 5/6 against though three teams every year.

The performance against the better sides isn’t an issue, it’s the intensity we play with against teams further down the league that needs to improve.