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| Quote: CW8 "Charnley at the minute is a better all round player than both Ashton and thewlis. Dropping charnley or lineham for that matter is not the way to fit them in. '"
Fair enough, but for me Charnley has stagnated and lost some pace. He may be a better all round player right now but in terms of a strike player Ashton is better.
Admittedly, Charnley is not being used well but Ashton and Thewlis are both young and represent the future - we have to throw them in.
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| Quote: DizzyHeights "That team doesn’t get anywhere near honours. Thankfully that wont be the team.'"
Name me a team from the present squad that does. The current one didn't and it will probably be weaker in 2021.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Fair enough, but for me Charnley has stagnated and lost some pace. He may be a better all round player right now but in terms of a strike player Ashton is better.
Admittedly, Charnley is not being used well but Ashton and Thewlis are both young and represent the future - we have to throw them in.'"
But they wouldn't be used well either under the current regime. There will always be injuries so both will get their chances. I think Ashton just starts at fullback, he needs a big off season on defence and high kicks but he will be fine. Like you say he is so dangerous he has to be in and around the team.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Name me a team from the present squad that does. The current one didn't and it will probably be weaker in 2021.'"
Probably about the same. Capable of beating anyone and losing as well. Mind you most sides are like that.
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| Quote: Wanderer "Fair enough.'"
That’s just my opinion btw. Not heard anything, just a hunch.
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| Defo got the makings of Chissy Mk 2 in all the right places
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| 1 thwellis/ashton
2 charnley
3 gelling
4 king
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6 inglis
7 austin
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13 ratchford
Philbin
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J clark
We need to get ashton thwellis dean robson a d doro sometime too I'm sure there will be games they can be used to rotate and rest players as well as covering injuries but we still have to field our best team too to make sure that the young lads are playing in the best team to help them develop
Inglis could play at fullback centre and in the halfs quite competently if widdop is going back to australia it would be worth a shout a shout putting him at 6 it would cause the least disruption to the rest of the team and ha e ashton and thwellis battle it out for at full back position.
Butler is a prop at least so should ease the work load of hill cooper n Philbin we could do with one more who could be starting. We could when needed start with a prop at 13 for some games too. It all depends on what cap space will be available too if we see anybody else come in but I doubt we will see a high profile signing unless we see a few more aka sita n latu go
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| Quote: Captain Hook "Unfortunately Lineham is more of an attacking threat than Charnley or is it (opens family size can of worms) the wing he is on and who is inside him?'"
I think it absolutely is to do with the wing he is on. Widdop, Currie & King will offer more opportunities than Austin, Gelling & Hughes. I don't buy that Charnley has lost speed, we just don't get to see it enough as he isn't given the opportunity.
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| Quote: CW8 "Charnley at the minute is a better all round player than both Ashton and thewlis. Dropping charnley or lineham for that matter is not the way to fit them in. It depends on whether anyone else leaves. But for me I'd have king in second row with currie, hughes at loose forward.
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Thewlis/ Robson'"
I don't mind King in the backrow, I think he is good there and allows Hughes to move to 13 where I think he is strongest. It probably, based on the current squad, gets our best 17 out on the field. But it smacks of poor squad management when you have to stick one of SL's best centres in to the backrow because we are short of genuine backrowers and have two props sat in the stands you have no intention of using. In an ideal world, King would stay in the centre, as that currently is where he is best.
I live in hope we can add a quality back rower to the squad. Josh Jones would be good, but my guess is he will follow Watson to Huddersfield.
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| OT, whilst thinking about next years line up.... I would seriously consider bringing Thewlis in at FB and pushing Ratch to 6. I thought we looked a lot more balanced with Widdop out of the side this year. Ashton to wing at the expense on Charnley or Lineham, not too sure who i think should move aside. But we need Ashtons pace.
Whats the crack with Gellings' court case, has it been settled? or delayed? So will he even be here next season? On form, ud have to give King the other centre birth with Inglis taking the other?
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| If Inglis can work with Ashton it could make a great combination, I would think any line breaks would result in try's. Clearly Ashton won't be as effective as either Charnley or Lineham at clearing the defensive lines, maybe that can be otherwise covered.
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| Quote: Snaggletooth "If Inglis can work with Ashton it could make a great combination, I would think any line breaks would result in try's. Clearly Ashton won't be as effective as either Charnley or Lineham at clearing the defensive lines, maybe that can be otherwise covered.'"
I was amazed that Ashton & Thewlis were asked to cart the ball up to clear the lines as if they were the same size as Lineham.
That does not have to happen. Silly.
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| Quote: Alffi_7 "I don't mind King in the backrow, I think he is good there and allows Hughes to move to 13 where I think he is strongest. It probably, based on the current squad, gets our best 17 out on the field. But it smacks of poor squad management when you have to stick one of SL's best centres in to the backrow because we are short of genuine backrowers and have two props sat in the stands you have no intention of using. In an ideal world, King would stay in the centre, as that currently is where he is best.
I live in hope we can add a quality back rower to the squad. Josh Jones would be good, but my guess is he will follow Watson to Huddersfield.'"
King is just a really good player, second row or centre he will play really well. I can see why he would prefer to play centre for England purposes but for wire IMO the team would play better if he played 2nd row. I think he would be one of the best 2nd rows in superleague as well and the versatility he has would see him make the England squad. We do have plenty of 2nd row options really, just most are unfancied like Robson or young. I really like the look of longstaff as well. Dean, thewlis and longstaff should be a lot closer to the match day squad this season and will hopefully be trusted to cover injuries.
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| The lack of a reserve team is another barrier to promoting /keeping young, developing players.
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| Quote: Captain Hook "The lack of a reserve team is another barrier to promoting /keeping young, developing players.'"
Not to mention the lack of any rugby other than superleague being played. Hopefully the leagues below will be getting going next season. I think with club 12 not having as much cap to spend they could well be in the market for a few season long loans of younger players, I certainly hope so anyway.
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