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Putting aside the downturn in atmosphere and the hypotheticals of John Woods playing under modern coaches (Price would loan him out to Doncaster until he learned to master high bombs to Toby King) I think what displeases me most is being referred to as an old timer.

Cheeky sod. Anyway, excuse me I'm off for a Horlicks and to watch one of my Cagney & Lacey VHS collection.

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Quote: Wires71 "Very fair points. It was more than just results though for me. It was the crackling atmosphere in Wilderspool, the fact that the club were massive underdogs due to financial clout, the aggression and hostility of our team, the biff, the flair of the Aussie signings. There felt a togetherness with the players and the support. Of course we got beat but our expectations were lower you could rest assured we would give Wigan a bloody good game though.

Difficult to compare with now as since 2004 with our financial backers and large gate receipts and TV money we have no reason to not be competing with the best - at least not on paper. The fact we have not won a GF in 15 years of moving to the HJ Stadium says a lot about culture and attitudes at the club. We should have won 4 on the averages. It's not by accident we fall short of the main prize. That's why we can be more critical now, than then.'"


Absolutely bang on this,I’ve pretty much said similar in other posts,back in the day we were crap with no expectations and had great times playing Wigan, if we won it was like winning a cup and you went home buzzing. Now with the finances etc we should be a lot better and we are not hence the criticism. Anyway aside from our short comings I personally don’t like the direction the club is going the game as become to sanatized and Sky is a joke in comparison to NRL coverage.

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Forget about nostalgia, Tony Smith should be ashamed of himself that he couldn't win the grand final with the teams he had at his disposal. Our 2011 team would put 40 points on this saints team by half time!!

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Quote: Moe syslak "Forget about nostalgia, Tony Smith should be ashamed of himself that he couldn't win the grand final with the teams he had at his disposal. Our 2011 team would put 40 points on this saints team by half time!!'"

Spot on Moe! On paper our current side is at least on a par with Wigan and Saints if not slightly better than Wigan. It's certainly better than Salford and Cas but what they seem to have is a team mentality and togetherness and a game plan that promotes attacking rugby. A cup win is great but overall we've had an extremely underwhelming season.

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Quote: Moe syslak "Forget about nostalgia, Tony Smith should be ashamed of himself that he couldn't win the grand final with the teams he had at his disposal. Our 2011 team would put 40 points on this saints team by half time!!'"


He did win 2 Grand Finals, when he had a Leeds team with guys like Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire, Peacock who had a relentless culture of winning big games.

When he was Wire coach, he had a good team too but it didn't have those big game winners, and in our peak seasons of 2011-12 the reason we didn't win a Grand Final was because we came up against Leeds with those players.

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It is certainly difficult to look back to the past and expect memories to be a true reflection of both individual players and teams, but......... What we do know for certain is that there are fewer people playing RL in the UK and the quality has dropped significantly. Even those players that are half decent get bought up by NRL, and coming in the opposite direction we have 32 year olds who are trying to eke out their last few playing days, or individuals that you would either find dead in a ditch, or selling real estate, and that the NRL will not touch with a barge pole.

The result is that we end up with lots of very poor games whilst well coached teams like Saints, with a decent but not outstanding set of players, can win the vast majority of their games. You don't need to wonder if you are getting misty eyed about Langer, Jiffy or Monas because the standard of the current squads is so desperately low that it's certainly not a question of through a glass darkly.

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Quote: Superblue "Can’t say I’m angry at all this season, still buzzing after winning the cup.
We won the CC final against our local rivals in the biggest game between the two clubs in Rugby League history at Wembley stadium live on the bbc
Fantastic achievement.
For that reason alone this season will be legendary in Warrington RL folklore.
What’s there not to like?'"

Can't give you an argument.
Although all my bets went down again.

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Quote: Superblue "Can’t say I’m angry at all this season, still buzzing after winning the cup.
We won the CC final against our local rivals in the biggest game between the two clubs in Rugby League history at Wembley stadium live on the bbc
Fantastic achievement.
For that reason alone this season will be legendary in Warrington RL folklore.
What’s there not to like?'"


Still buzzing...…….. haha. What a load of tosh. That's one of the reason your always the bridesmaid, because your content with garbage one up rugby league. As good as Wembley was, it was considered a huge upset. The term 'huge upset' should be an insult in itself. A team like Warrington shouldn't be causing huge upsets because they should be one of the top teams.

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Quote: Targaryen_3 "Still buzzing...…….. haha. What a load of tosh. That's one of the reason your always the bridesmaid, because your content with garbage one up rugby league. As good as Wembley was, it was considered a huge upset. The term 'huge upset' should be an insult in itself. A team like Warrington shouldn't be causing huge upsets because they should be one of the top teams.'"

It's was propaganda...and you bought it.

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Quote: rubber duckie "It's was propaganda...and you bought it.'"


Now you've come from under Superblue and had your say, get back under him whilst he finishes.

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You need to have a look at yourselves! I've been a RL fan for over 50 years and for a vast majority of that time Warrington have been also rans! Season after season of nothingness. "Car crash" crowds of 5'600 were above average!! Now you're the reigning challenge cup holders..again. You have no divine right to any success but your club is in a fantastic position can command the attention of world stars and is probably in the best shape its ever been! Pack in whingeing! After the season you have had it grates on the nerves of us current lesser mortals!

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Quote: Widnes Al "You need to have a look at yourselves! I've been a RL fan for over 50 years and for a vast majority of that time Warrington have been also rans! Season after season of nothingness. "Car crash" crowds of 5'600 were above average!! Now you're the reigning challenge cup holders..again. You have no divine right to any success but your club is in a fantastic position can command the attention of world stars and is probably in the best shape its ever been! Pack in whingeing! After the season you have had it grates on the nerves of us current lesser mortals!'"

No doubt what is “disappointment” can just as easily be read as “entitlement”.

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