I'm dreading those words....and the season isn't over in December!

Had no buffer issues with Radio General, it must just be Radio Wire amateur set up!

Patton not mentioned at all since 8:03. Is he still playing ? He needs a big year.

Spoke too soon .... gets a mention at 9:35 so that's at least 2 touches in this game

Finished 26-22 to widnes.

At least they turned up eventually.

....when Mellor went off!

It means nothing if we win and so it has to mean the same if we lose. We knew that there was a lot of improvement required I suppose. I still think we are a player or 2 short to be honest.

Squad numbers 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16 all not playing.

Yes Widnes wouldn't have been full strength either, but not to that extent.

Widnes had Hanbury, Ottio, Inu, Runciman, Ah Van, Dudson, White, Gerrard, Houston, Cahill, Craven, Leuluai, Albert and Heremaia out who are all first team players.

So without our best player, our best 3 props and best 2 hookers.

No doubting Wire had some missing too but your strength in depth should be much better considering your resources.

We're obviously still looking around - comment fro the press conference...

I have to side with VW1.

Our starting 13 were all names you'd expect to see in our 19 man squad throughout the season. All have many many SL minutes behind them. Our bench aaide, this was a strong experienced team. When they were warming up, Widnes genuinely looked like school kids compared to our guys. Widnes had a far weaker team on paper. It's particularly disappointing as you'd have hoped some.of these players would have shown some bite to squeeze into the reconning.

However, our problem areas tonight were in the areas where we have better players to come in. Patton and particularly Livett were poor (both poor decision making, Livett poor execution too), but we have 2 better halves to come in for them (plus Ratch as a 3rd pivot which JJ didn't provide). Our seemed to forget they had a winger outside them, but again Atkins and Goodwin will.come in (Goodwin went off injured after 15).

A further positive was our forwards. While it was obvious they were not going 100%, Cooper, G King and Philbin all made some good go-forward with the ball.

We’ve just come straight off a fatiguing army camp, probably haven’t done much skills work either. NRL teams are always rubbish pre-season against SL teams (see last year) but they come good when it counts. I trust Price’s judgment on this one.

I have no idea how we’ll play next season, but I’m not concerned by a loss on a cold winters night in a meaningless fixture. We won last year and what good did that do?

Agreed, good post. Fair play to widnes especially the youngsters. The result never really means anything preseason, sure its nice to build a bit of confidence but it doesn't matter. I'm sure Steve price may be a bit dissapointed with some aspects and performances but I really doubt he will be writing anyone off for being a bit off colour at this stage and neither should we.

If no one's concerned like I keep reading, then bring back the Wardonia cup vs the Pies.
It'll mean something then!