Ross Kemp is a fanny. They need to spend some time in the company of Bear Grylls. They need to know what its like to be exhausted and down on your knees. They need to install team spirit and have an attitude of we will not be defeated. They need to understand what its like to be on your knees and come back and be victorious. Only when they understand this can you achieve great things.

Where did we do pre-season in 2011 which every one holds up as the glory year although we didn’t even make a final?

Do you not think that was our best side?

i dont think ive seen anyone hold up 2011 as a glory year..... i think its held up as it was the best team we had. It was certainly a candidate for the best rugby ive ever seen Warrington play.

There was certainly no glory in seeing that team come out of the season without a trophy... if anything it's been held up as 'if Smith couldn't win the GF win this team, what chance does he have with this current one'... which wasn't entirely fair, as all teams were stronger in 2011... Still.

Where was the pre-season that year?

2011 is the equivalent of the Morley tackle on Harrison Hansen. Impressive but we still lost. And the Langer ball steal on Martin.

Small time mentality.

Martyn of course

i have no idea.... i remember us losing the opening game though at the magic weekend.

So lets not do that again, whatever it was.

Quite. I doubt you’ll find much correlation between our pre-season location and our performance that season

Bear Grylls?

I think we only started warm weather training in 2010 -

2010 - Tenerife
2011 - Tenerife
2012 - Australia
2013 - Tenerife
2014 - Australia
2015 - Tenerife
2016 - Tenerife
2017 - Tenerife

There are many reasons why we've played crap some years, class in others, sometimes won silverware, sometimes not, and lost a few GFs.

But going somewhere for warm weather training pre-season probably ranks about 37th in that list.

Yes but we are a rugby club not the boy scouts

Yes, he is chief Scout. However, someone posted lets get the boys training with the SAS. Somebody else then said bring in Ross Kemp, which i then said Bear Grylls. Bear Grylls was at least with 21 SAS for a time and may have an understanding of training in difficult climates, where as Ross Kemp was a Para, at least he was when he was in Emmerdale!!

yeah but Bear Grylls cheated in one of his SAS training missions on the Breacon Beacons as i recall from reading his book....( took a short cut and hid from the officers iirc.)
had he got found that would have been him and his mate booted out...

thats not the kind of attitude we want.......

I remember something Mal Menninga mentioned in his stint at Saints that at training they were often Sent around St Helens for a run but some of the Lads knew a shortcut that passed by a water outlet so they'd casually take the short cut, put Water on their heads and turn up at the finish panting and soaked as if they'd done the full distance ...and the coaches were non the wiser....

that'd be Bear Grylls as well....
plus he's money Mad he get a sniff of Morans Money and that would be another season in the Red....

I'd rather Chaddy take em running on the Dunes at Southport.....

I'd like to see them just running up and down the sand dunes at St Anne's or Formby over and over.
That'll soon get their fitness up.