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Quote: rubber duckie "Ratchford has loose forward written all over him. It's up to him to bulk up, and TS allow him that opportunity. It's Ratchford's best chance of a international call up. He sure as hell ain't going to get called up at positions 1-3/4-6-7.'"

Ratchford shouldn't be near a warrington shirt never mind an international one!

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His route to an international call up isn't via loose forward but finding a serbian grandparent....he'd get on their bench I reckon

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Quote: ratticusfinch "His route to an international call up isn't via loose forward but finding a serbian grandparent....he'd get on their bench I reckon'"


A bit harsh from you and Moe IMO.

Ratchford certainly deserved the shirt when keeping Hodgson out of the team not many complaints then apart from Mr and Mrs H. He has had better years than this no doubt, but, so has the team in general and not to have a position to call your own must be unsettling? I'd have him at Centre next season when everyone is available

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Quote: Uncle Rico "A bit harsh from you and Moe IMO.

Ratchford certainly deserved the shirt when keeping Hodgson out of the team not many complaints then apart from Mr and Mrs H. He has had better years than this no doubt, but, so has the team in general and not to have a position to call your own must be unsettling? I'd have him at Centre next season when everyone is available'"

There does seem to be a lot of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" going on. Test is were you anxious when it was rumoured he was going to Wigan...I was certainly concerned!

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Fair point as you can tell the worth of a player if you'd worry if he signed for someone else. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if ratchford left. I don't think he's a bad player by any stretch just overrated, frustrating and not having a position is his own doing.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



Barring injury elsewhere I can't see Ratchford anywhere other than centre next season. A fit Russell or Gidley is surely going to be picked ahead of him at fullback, and on the basis that Russell can't play anywhere else other than the wing, I suspect that Gidley will partner Sandow in the halves. The return of Grix will prevent him getting in at loose even if he was to 'bulk up'. Probably not his best position, and probably not the centre we need, but he's too good to be wasted on the bench so there is nowhere else for him.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "Fair point as you can tell the worth of a player if you'd worry if he signed for someone else. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if ratchford left. I don't think he's a bad player by any stretch just overrated, frustrating and not having a position is his own doing.'"


Each to their own on whether you think he's worth a place but not having a position is his own doing?

I know that you may be possibly be alluding to Ratchford being a 'Jack of all trades...' but, really given the disruption to the squad this year with injuries, form and suspensions, having a guy with a 6 on his back that has played anywhere, but, isn't his own doing surely? As a start, perhaps having a fit Russell and or Grix in addition to Rhys Evans and Bridge, even now and again might have limited TS's, sorry Ratchford's choices to interchange prop?

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I fancy his best position may be centre. In he way that JD played centre. Obviously I am not comparing the two.

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Well if Ratchford was a class act at stand off he'd be there permanently and others would fill in in other positions. Unfortunately for him he is average in all positions so he covers. I'd also play him at centre.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "Well if Ratchford was a class act at stand off he'd be there permanently and others would fill in in other positions. Unfortunately for him he is average in all positions so he covers. I'd also play him at centre.'"


I would rather have Ratch in the centres than Evans any day of the week. I just don't see what makes Evans worth of a 1st team place.

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Quote: Wires71 "I would rather have Ratch in the centres than Evans any day of the week. I just don't see what makes Evans worth of a 1st team place.'"


Would that be right or left centre. As Joel will take one of them.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



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I just don't see what makes Evans worth of a 1st team place.'"

I've often thought the same yet so many apparently better judges than me still seem to talk about him as if he's the next big thing. He's nearly 23, most backs who are to become 'big things' are already big by that age.

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Unfortunately,Rhys Evans seems to be on the same bus as Grix,Russell &Wheeler when it comes to being injury prone. Maybe it's a good job we have a utility player like Ratchford.

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