Same as it not penny's fault when tries get scored on that wing , i think penny would have dealt better with the atmosphere ,ormsby's like a new born giraffe with his legs

I thought Clark was going to run riot coming into an open game on a big pitch in nice conditions after twenty minutes...was disappointed. I think expectations have rightfully dropped. I feared the worst before tonight.

I was a little worried of our energy levels with 10 to go, a few boots are ready to hang up, we are still 2-3 players short of competing in top 3, but we still will get to business end of season, just don't think we have enough to get past top 4 at present,, but much better than last trip away at Widnes,,

Yes, we know we lost. No one since 80 minutes has denied this.
Our expectations are where they are, due to a shocking couple of months..

I'm certainly not blaming Ormsby for tonight's defeat. He's just not a winger/rugby player that's of the standard (challenging for trophies) we require.
Putting it in simple terms..... " 'e dunt offer much"

Personally, I thought we found a way to lose that match from a position of being in the ascendancy at several points.

We took some real sucker punches through basic lack of composure (2nd half kick off a classic), our left hand edge was again dreadful, our one-on-one defence was poor, we failed to deal with their offload game .............. but at times we looked the better team, we had a kicking game the equal of Wigan, big Roy put in a good stint, Higham went as well as usual and Ratchford looked the classiest player on the park.

But the concern for me is that our pack suddenly looks lightweight and intimidated. Even Hill doesn't seem to be forcing through the tackles with his old effectiveness. Westwood was good, but the others were at best effective. Even one of my personal faves, Ben H looks very laboured.

As for Clark, in the dying embers of the game I was waiting for him to explode downfield against a tiring defence and on the back of a quick PTB ............... and I'm still waiting.

Has there ever been a rugby team who knock the ball on as much as we do?

It was funny, now it's just embarrassing. We do well, get into great positions, and then knock it on like nothing I've ever seen.

Laporte Diamonds u8s c. 1994.

Don't hold me to that though.

I think they mean the Laithwaite one, actually.

Wigan have toned it down unbelievably to be fair to them. Didn't see that much lying on or ridiculous targeting of open limbs at all tonight for the first time since before Maguire's tenure.

I thought in the last 20 minutes the 4 games in 2 weeks had more of an effect on us than Wigan, we just looked knackered.

We played well Tonight and if we'd retained the intensity of our defence v a Leeds when we were 10 nil up, we could, should have done them.

Key things for me were the energy loss in the second half plus our poor 3/4 defence/ excellent ball handling skills of pie. We weren't far off. We can't win them all and have to be realistic. We shouldn't expect to win all time.

Re. Some points made about our players- asotasi was excellent in setting the platform and it was a good desicion by TS to start him with Hill. I can't believe anyone who criticises Simms. He puts 101% in and always made yards and put aggression in defence.

We've lost tonight but there's plenty in that match for us to be positive. Pattern was fantastic for his second game. For the first time this season we had timing with our moves when the ball went out and a quality kicking game, miles better than we've seen.

How boring would it be if we won all our games? It would be nice, but we have no right to just expect wins and disregard the quality of the opposition. Apart from the first 15 mins, Wigan were good, and so were we.

COTW

Warrington look a shadow of the side that could be relied upon to flatten every Wigan ball carrier at the JJB two/three years ago.

Given their diminutive pack I figured you'd have smashed them black and blue with your big guys. Instead you allowed them to expand the play at will - thus giving them the freedom and space to play touch rugby.

As for some of the defence in the centres ...

I wouldn't mind if their back line was filled with all time greats. Consider the near total lack of threat Wigan posed Saints at the JJB. I mean, Saints played ok going down in a narrow defeat. But there's nothing we did that you weren't capable of replicating. Granted, we were missing a few. But with a similar degree of effort you could have shut them down just as easily. Whenever you strung one or two sets together they looked almost as vulnerable. Cherry & White shirts were jumping out of the defensive line seemingly ever set.

Very disappointing.

I must confess that i am disappointed at not being able to slag off Wigan for a thuggish performance....well done to them !
I think in all honesty the difference between the two sides can be summed up thus , Wigan played basic rugby better with a player supporting the man with the ball every time ,simple rugby from the text book, & i was very impressed that Wigan's tries came mostly from handing moves without kicks to the corner, & when in possession they were making much more yardage with ball in hand.
On the other hand ,we still play this one man rugby with the most simple to read plays in the whole of the rugby league & although we do seem to be improving we have again come up short against a team who by their own standards are not great.

One man rugby didn't cost Warrington anything like as dearly as the astonishing charity both forwards and backs showed Wigan in defence.

The amount of one-handed passing Wigan were allowed to get away with without penalty would likely result in a top-tier NRL coach taking offence for downright disrespect.