Too bad Joel Tomkins is a backrower.... His name would be the easiest.

What a crock of shat.

Apropos of what exactly?????

I believe Wigan & Huddersfield have also done a season long swap ,Larne Patrick for Jack Hughes ....are they forwards or backs ?

In an attempt to move this along. Props at Academy level are notoriously difficult to handle. Very few make it to the senior game. Many of the props in Super League started as second rowers or even in the backs (Morley, Peacock, Clubb).

I suspect that a trawl through the Warrington books over the last ten years won't produce many prop forwards who are still playing at the top level.

But I've tried to come up with Wigan's forwards (second row or prop). So here goes -
Crosby
Farrell
Burke
O'Loughlin
Hock
Hansen
Tomkins
O'Carroll
Kavanagh
Mossop
Allen
Jewitt
Wild

And the ones who retired early - Prescot and Hargreaves. Not sure what happened to Davies at Widnes.

Ok, so prove that Wire are better.

PY three of the Wigan players you mentioned, Mossop, Tuson and Burke all played LESS first team rugby than Ben Currie at the same age.
Are Warrington overplaying him?

Ben Currie is not often associated with the role of prop forward.

I'm not going to trawl through the comparative stats to either prove, or disprove a point here, but, in Curries case he's never been used as a prop and in fact not always been in the back row having a go at Centre and SO on the odd occasion, if I'm not mistaken.

Further, and this applies to any club's youngsters even yours, its also about consideration to frequency, a run of playing games then rest and the level of opposition that these young lads are asked to play against? You have to rely on the coaching staff getting this part of the equation right as I'm sure that most lads once they've broken through into the 17 don't always want to stand down, particularly from a winning team where they might have to rely on the misfortunes of a 'Grix' to get back in, (something you might be happy with but one presumes Currie isn't).

Neither was Chris Tuson - but it didn't stop his name being brought in as evidence.

Or Greg Burke


And haven't Wire just employed Wigans former assistant to head up their strength and conditioning team?

By the length of this thread talking about Mossop and other Pies, god speed next season asap.
Is that all we have to debate?.. probably the worst topic this year but we're still hanging on to it!!

Do you call your Tourette's Syndrome "engaging in debate"???




At least the like of PY are making reasonable points even if they are wrong!!!!

Pointless un - interesting Pie chat.
It's like reverse trolling!

Desperate chat during a closed season.

I must focus my attention to some rumours I think.

Banging.. I mean bang on.
I assume you are regarding me as making unreasonable points that are correct then.
So Joel Tomkins is exactly as I said and so is this Pie topic.

To be fair the argument about Ben Currie playing more rugby than the Wigans chaps isn't that clever....he may have had more appearances but he hasn't played more rugby!!!

Ben Currie has done very little in most of the games he has played this season he is the most disappointing "next big thing" I have ever seen.

.... And its the off season so I can say what I want before anyone a bit precious chips in...