I find it a little frustrating that Widnes seem to be almost using this as a publicity exercise now, as they clamour to prove the great extents they are going to to identify the tools involved. I'm assuming they'll use this to help defend against a fine too.

The fact is, they didn't choose to make such a song and dance after the trouble at our place (though they did use their same 'tellus' email address!), so have to take their share of the blame.

Trouble is that as soon as an arrest is made, the arresting officer has to stay with that one individual and cannot deal with other incidents. There seemed to be 8 police officers at the ground - if each one had made an arrest that would have left over a hundred others on the pitch who they could do nothing about. When they know there will be substantial evidence to make retrospective arrests, there is no need to do so immediately if it weakens the police's ability to restore order.

You been reading something I posted elsewhere?

Don't think so, just common sense.

Something that some on the VT don't appear to possess.

What you say makes sense as far as it goes but,if you read further in my post, you will see that I complained at the lack of resources thrown at the problem. You saw about eight police officers you say but it is unlikely that they were all initially deployed inside the ground as the RL would have to pay for them. You will have noticed that they arrived when the worst of the disorder was over and some of the Widnes 'fans' were returning to their end of the ground. They were probably initially deployed on crowd control outside the ground and had to be brought in. It is usual for a token police presence in the ground and the 'policing' of the crowd is down to the stewards. So given the situation they where in, you are right in your argument. My argument is that such situations of insufficient undertrained, physically deficient people policing such events should not arise. After all, it is not as if Widnes do not have a reputation for loutish behaviour.
Incidentally, on the video I saw a Widnes fan was detained by the police, yet the media reported that no arrests were made which must mean that he was released without charge or reported for summons which, again is the cheapest way of dealing with him. But is it the most effective? I think not.

I suspect that if you knew how many uniformed police officers were on duty in the Wigan and Leigh area at 4.45pm last Sunday you would be unpleasantly surprised.

Dont remember seeing any police at the Wolves V Leeds game. IF that was the case, were the police at the Widnes V Cas game there because of a) policing policy of GMP, b) previous history of Widnes fans, c) they had actually been called to the game because of the issues before hand with bottles etc being thrown at coaches......or d) I was at the Saturday game with my eyes shut ?

Looking at them I would say they had come in after the pre-match problem with the coach. from their actions when they came on the pitch they didn't seem to have any public order expertise and looked like they had been cobbled together at short notice.

Interesting thought, there wasn't a hint of anything unsavoury at our game. However, from an off field perspective I'm really quite relieved that we weren't playing Widnes as Lord knows how bad it could've been? We aren't exactly lilywhite ourselves at times and I think the idiots on the pitch might just have got a reaction and some might say what they deserved in front of a national TV audience.

There but for the grace of God....

Unfortunately I don't think I would.
Sunday is probably one of the quietest demand days for the police and the manpower on duty would reflect that. The police are now geared to response and any idea of prevention has gone out of the window.
Having said that, the policing of a major sporting occasion would involve manpower brought in specially for the occasion. In comparison to football, I think the police regard policing RL games as money for jam. I know the met police do. Unfortunately the Widnes and, let's face it, fans from a number of clubs, including some of ours, are endangering a reputation of which we can all be justifiably proud. That is we are addicted to a tough game played by tough, proud men who knock seven bells out of each other on the field but we know how to handle the drink and have a good time and we know how to conduct ourselves with dignity.
I think it is beholden to all of us to protect that reputation and have no truck with morons who are sullying the good name of the game.

I saw plenty of police at Langtree. I think the most heavily policed games I've seen were the recent championship finals at the HJ!

May be the problem is due to the availability of cheap alcohol at all hours of the day & night from the cut price booze dealers & supermarkets . The type of cretins we see causing trouble are the type who wouldn't be able to afford to get drunk at pub prices ,but will buy a dozen or two cheap cans & down the lot.

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... ms/?ref=la I see two of our fan have been banned for 2 & 5 years which I fully agree with , what I dont get is why a 40 year old man would even have a flare?

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... ms/?ref=la I see two of our fan have been banned for 2 & 5 years which I fully agree with , what I dont get is why a 40 year old man would even have a flare?