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| You're the one who wrote it.
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| Ok, I'll take the bait.
We've lost Morley, Carvell, Briers, Hodgson & Cooper.
We've signed Russell, Asotasi & Penny and extended (and I assume) upgraded other existing players terms.
I draw three possible conclusions from this :
1). We are £400K under the salary cap with cash to spend if required
2). We are not £400K under the cap in which case some of our players have superb agents
3). The club have various targets signed up for next year and are thinking in terms of next years cap
Based on performances this year I'd suggest 2, 1, 3 in that order.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Ok, I'll take the bait.
We've lost Morley, Carvell, Briers, Hodgson & Cooper.
'" ..Tyke and Solamona and Blithe and Williams.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "..Tyke and Solamona and Blithe and Williams.'"
Yeah for forgot about them (for perhaps obvious reasons except Solomana). Solo will have been on a good contract but it probably cost us 10 grand to get the door widened to shove Williams ar*e out of it.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "
3). The club have various targets signed up for next year and are thinking in terms of next years cap'"
Can you do that?
I know Pies exposed a loophole the other way when cheating relegation. I wasn't aware to could carry over this year's to next too??
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| Quote: rubber duckie "Can you do that?
I know Pies exposed a loophole the other way when cheating relegation. I wasn't aware to could carry over this year's to next too??'"
Dunno. Was just trying to give the management the benefit of the doubt really in the hope they have a baldrick-esque plan up their sleeve to explain the apparent difference in our salary cap spending to last year. I think I'm sticking with the theory that we are well under the cap and some of the players agents have deep pockets, fat wallets and happy clients.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "Can you do that?
I know Pies exposed a loophole the other way when cheating relegation. I wasn't aware to could carry over this year's to next too??'"
Nope. A players salary cap value is calculated by the total contract value at the club divided by the time spent at the club. It doesn't matter when the money is paid (before or after) or if the pay is unequal (aka back ending contracts has no effect in the uk) simply the time the player is registered at the club - so any player Warrington were trying this with would have to not be registered with any other club.
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| I think its great that Warrington are showing that the game isn't all about money and just because there's a salary cap you don't have to spend up to the full limit.
If every other team apart from Bradford are spending up to the cap and we are £400k under it it shows really how good TS is at getting results out of modest resources, and well done to our board, many other clubs would have just panicked and thrown money at new signings but the way forward for rugby league is investment in youth.
It's time other clubs start learning from us.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "As the only club outside Bradford not to supposedly spent up to the cap, is it all now too apparent?
I'm not going to resurrect the older threads of we need a quality prop and we need a halfback cos nobody likes a smart booty, but wouldn't the shortfall would go some way to filling at least one of these positions?'"
only club not to have spent to the cap?
you think wakefield have?! huddersfield havent either..sure there will be a few more too, castleford..london..
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| Quote: brearley84 "only club not to have spent to the cap?
Leeds haven't done for years, saints have space for a player, Wigan aren't I believe either
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Nope. A players salary cap value is calculated by the total contract value at the club divided by the time spent at the club. It doesn't matter when the money is paid (before or after) or if the pay is unequal (aka back ending contracts has no effect in the uk) simply the time the player is registered at the club - so any player Warrington were trying this with would have to not be registered with any other club.'"
This isn't true.
The provisions in the salary cap regulations allow the RFL to apply signing bonuses across the period of the contract if they deem it appropriate or where its obvious that payments are being manipulated to circumnavigate the intent of the regulations by off-setting payments from one year to another (yes that's you we're looking at Mr Lindsay (after being caught cheating in a Melbourne Storm fashion)). There is nothing stopping stepped increases in salary through the period of a contract when it is done in a reasonable fashion eg Ben Currie signing a five year contract would obviously expect to be paid more as a 22 year old established first team player than a 17 year old breaking into the team.
It's amazing how much rubbish around the salary cap you read peddled out as fact.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "This isn't true.
The provisions in the salary cap regulations allow the RFL to apply signing bonuses across the period of the contract if they deem it appropriate or where its obvious that payments are being manipulated to circumnavigate the intent of the regulations by off-setting payments from one year to another (yes that's you we're looking at Mr Lindsay (after being caught cheating in a Melbourne Storm fashion)). There is nothing stopping stepped increases in salary through the period of a contract when it is done in a reasonable fashion eg Ben Currie signing a five year contract would obviously expect to be paid more as a 22 year old established first team player than a 17 year old breaking into the team.
It's amazing how much rubbish around the salary cap you read peddled out as fact.'"
Read
Link:www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/interactive_operational_rules?section=E1
Edit: so any payments made outside of anyone's contract would count during the time when they were contracted and registered to the club.
As for backending, as you say, the key word is reasonable but for all intents and purposes, the point of backending contracts is outlawed. As I said.
Isn't it just.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Read
As I said the RFL will apply across the period of the contract when the contract is obviously structured in an artificial manner eg players defer such an amount as to leave them such that "the Player's welfare would be prejudiced by the arrangements" ie couldn't afford to feed and clothes themselves.
Big signing bonuses are likely to be spread across the contract but as I said there is nothing stopping stepped increases in salary across the length of a contract if they are reasonable. Every club in the league does it.
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| Lost me but it all sounds intriguing.
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