yes he was unfortunately a lot of people on here didnt understand the basic errors top quality players like King and Anderson were making ...

I just found this old photo I used to try and explain back in the day.....already it appears the defensive liability quotes are out in force and he hasnt even signed.....

Completely agree! Add in the 'static' defender of Monaghan, who is a "middle unit" player, and the issue was complete.

I for one would welcome him back as thought we let him go far too quickly. No player since, with the possible exception of Chris Hill, has got me off my seat like KP & I still think he has all the attributes to be a SL player - only time will tell if he will be a excellent one.

If its true I say Welcome back Kev & lets get behind the lad!!!

that's the complete opposite of Tony smith's theology.

from that picture Penny is at fault as all defensive systems work form in to out, meaning the players should come in so they are a solid defensive line without holes, and if the ball is shipped out the defensive line stays together and pulls out. As the picture shows KP stayed on his wing and left a gaping hole inside (closer to the sticks for the converstion)
Seems a bit strange to leave the hole on the outside but there is a greater chance of a dropped ball or mistake if it goes through more hands to get to the whole.
Hope this makes sense.

it does make sense but it was shown at the start of that year and the end of teh one previously there were many many occasions where penny was on his own YELLING and gesticulating for people to come across and he was completely ignored.

That may be, but if your attack was 100% on, in theory, you may never have to make a tackle in a game!

The Saints way of thinking of a few years ago...you will score but we will outscore you .

Defence wins games, they don't score they don't win.

Look at Widnes and Castleford and their great attack.

not 100%

Seriously you on a wind up or do you just know love all?

thats cos its impossible

Very primrose tintedthis thread. Defence was abysmal. Fair to say he had lots of pace and a good step but his handling if I remember correctly was also poor.

Vs Wakefield at home pre Wembley 09 was embarrassing for him. And us.

What's his stats at Swinton this season

60% completion on high fiving
12 whoops