Very poorly, see the game against you at Headingly . In the first 12 games last season I think we only twice kept a team under 15 points.

Edit: see Ollie's post above

In the immortal words from Dad's Army (how very apt)....

DON'T PANIC!

I don't really get why Leeds being at the start of last year means that we're going to win the Grand Final, as some people on here seem to think. I do think we will get better though, we can't get much worse (hopefully).

Not heard that about Saints but it wouldn't surprise me. I don't hold any hope of seeing him back in the P&B. Warrington really did do the dirty on him.Š

care to elaborate slightly?

Not really into slating certain individuals at the club publicly but it wasn't nice.

without naming names, what happened?

I can't imagine, I don't think. He is Coops brother, obviously, so I can't see why he'd be left cold or picked on.

or you could throw me a sly PM.

Or if you feel uncomfortable, it's fine.

how about we just leave it, ok?

thanks.

Why?

With all the doom and gloom threads around here we may as well go completely retro and have one slagging off the youth development of the club for letting all the "best" propsects leave.

im sure whatever happened is between him and the club personnel only. im sure that this will probz happen at most other clubs that certain players dont get on at certain clubs.

and he cant of been treated that badly as im sure mike cooper wouldn't just stand around and watch his own brother get treated badly by the club personnel.

Sorry for being on topic, but the age of our players is nothing to do with the here and now, it's the affect on the next 3-4 seasons that needs planning.

To compare us with Leeds last year is a non starter. They did it against the odds with better players, and players with the experience of getting to the GF, we don't. I can;t see keeping our fingers crossed to do the same being a tactic TS will use.

Last year we weren't much better. The pasting we got on Easter Monday kick started our season, hopefully this will do the same.

It seems to me that teams have sussed how to turn us over. Dennis Betts was quite open that to beat Wire you have to get in their faces first 15 mins and they crumble in defence and spend the rest of the game playing catch up and give penalties off the back of the panic. That sums us up to be fair. We need to explode in the first 10 mins and respect possession. Everything will come from that. age isn't an issue.

What's the story with him as a player, ignoring the politics? I take it he's a prop from your academy? Any good? Where did you hear Saints are after him?

No one was treated badly while still being at the club, it was more to do with what happened when he was looking for another club in Australia. Luckily he still landed on his two feet and ended up with Wynumn.

And for what it's worth, Warrington did offer Jack a contract.

It must be said that our youth set up is going from strength to strength and it shouldn't be criticised.