I'll tell you in June.

It was a cheap shot but I couldnt resist it GHF.

Moe is blob on IMO about Widnes and history and whilst I don't advocate violence in anyway that intense atmosphere is something to be savoured and I hope it returns for the Widnes game...we can't treat this game as a walk over/easy run out

I remember the incident well, Moe. The speccie abuse was against Dessie.....how foolish
There was a scuffle involving about 10 players, right on the touchline, and it went right to the perimeter wall, which was quite low to pitch level. The Wid muppet called Dessie a "black so'n'so" to which Dessie gave him a damned good thrashing.
Dessie was in the GB squad at the time, and was immediately dropped. The case went to court, Dessie pleaded self defence (or something like mitigating circumstances) and was found not guilty. The RFL offered Dessie a snivveling apology, to which Dessie told them which orifice they could put it in.
IIRC the speccie's name was Horrobin....which sums up Widnes precisely, in one word.

Yes, the Wid games WERE a grudge match, but I don't see that intensity returning until the Wids establish themselves in SL for a good few years. At the moment, I don't see that happening

I was at the game and remember that incident. The ball went out of play , a ballboy picked up the ball, Dessie grabbed the ball and pushed the ballboy (don't know if this was intentional), the Widnes speccy was the ballboys dad and went up to Drummond wagging his finger, what was said I obviously don't know, but I do know Drummond hit him and he went down like a sack of e. His name was Horabin and his twin sons were ballboys at Widnes for a few years. I didn't know that it went to court.

Wasn't that the game when hundreds of fans of both sides were fighting on the pitch at half time and it made the national news?

From a Widnes point of view although you were usually also rans when we were good the rivalry between the fans was always more intense against you lot even though the Wigan and Saints games were usually more meaningful.

I can remember running battles on the streets of Wigan back in 79 when housebricks were flying through the air, Numerous fights at matches over the years.

I can understand from a wire point of view that with us not being around for a while you've found other rivals but they wont be as intense as ours! The Widnes fans will make sure of that. it's just a pity the difference in class between the sides at the mo. If we were closer it would be more intense.

i hope the intensity remains on the pitch! i feel those dark days of the 70's/80's should stay as they are, memories. i take my 11 year old to the match and have reassured him that violence at RL matches is as rare as rocking horse cack!
although he was a little puzzled by the hull kr fans fighting with themselves and the heavy police presence post match the other week!

oh, and well done widnes! duck broken against the pies.