No disgrace in losing to Cats and Huddersfield. Its true Saints are not what they used to be but they are going through a spell of losing there key players due to retirement and blooding youngsters for the future in the hope they can be like Cunningham, Long etc. The new stadium may have stopped them signing the best players around but can still beat anyone on there day.

Lol....

it seems Moz thinks it's funny too.

No picture with the Super League trophy? I can't possibly see how a team so far ahead of Super League standards are yet to play at Old Trafford...

Genuine question..Which team do you Wire fans regard as your main rivals ,Saints or Wigan? by that I mean the team you most want to beat in any game and the team you most want to lose to whoever?

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You know this after 5 games ? We haven't played Saints, Wigan, Cats or Leeds yet.

Posts like this are asking for trouble.

Wigan purely because they're better than Saints at rugby at the moment, and because their flag-waving fans make me cringe with all that Ultra rubbish.

I agree on the latter the cringeworthy ultra flag wavers irritate me too.

Yes I do. We are not playing that well at the moment but the defensive structure and shape (which will not alter as the season progresses) is seeing us through, it was SUPERB again at Bradford. The attacking push is still there but some decision making isn't quite yet but it will be so particularly as the weather warms up.

We look better prepared than at this time last season, we are top of the league and we were the team to beat last year as well. We have a stronger squad and the same exceptional coaching staff.

On the other side of the argument, what other teams are better than us and why?

Spot on in what your saying about structure & shape, theres no denying that. But a better attacking team than Bradford would have took us alot closer or beaten us on saturday night. I know we have injuries and will probably get stronger, but throw a suspension in here and there, maybe even more injuries to key players, and things might not go our way as much as you seem to think it will.

Not sure about your stronger squad comment. I'd say more versatile with Ratchford replacing King, and Waterhouse for Anderson, but not stronger.

I think with Bridges impending ban, no big Monas, Sully & Harrison (and possibly Hodgson & Grix) Friday night will be a good barometer with us playing the champions away.

I'm sure saints will learn from these narrow defeats and come back a better side. They have alot of young players in key positions that can only benefit from all this game time.

having said that they are almost certainly worse off than last season. Winning a trophy will prove difficult for them.

Saints probably gets me more worked up if I'm honest, despite the double last season that losing streak hasn't yet been rectified as far as I'm concerned, and (for me) it won't be until we snatch a few games from them right at the death that they'd looked almost certain to win.

That doesn't mean to say I don't care whether we lose to Wigan or not, mind you

That's just how I see things.

If we do the double over Saints this season then I will be able to talk about 'closure'.

[sizeThats how damaged all those defeats left me.[/size