You cite a good example with the warrington SC issue however, MG has had a track record of making mistakes. He has certainly been given many chances in his career and he has often thrown them back into the faces of the people handing them to him.

Also, what you say about MG's success is true to an extent. Gleeson, as you said, should have been the best centre in the league, who was also at the best team (in Sts) he threw that away and came to Wire where he didn't win anything. There is a good chance that Wigan will win something this year and he will miss out as Hull probably won't even make the playoffs. He has missed out on many medals he by rights should have won. You ask what people expect of him. I think people expect him to reach his potential which he hasn't done.


However, as I have said, my overwriting hope for Gleeson is that he can sort himself out and get the help he needs. A spotty past does not mean a spotty future.

I genuinely hope that Martin take a good look at himself now, as a person, not a player. He's a fantastic player, but he, like every man alive has made a lot of mistakes. Granted he's made a few catastrophic ones but, given the money he has been paid, the punishment he has put his body through and constantly being in the public eye, I think I would have sought a 'release' aswel!

I hope, from a humane viewpoint, he is alright. The last thing the world needs is another scenario like the tragic Terry Newton story. A man who paid the ultimate sacrifice for making a few bad choices.

Let's hope he can get back on track, and find a productive role within the game, because he has bags of ability, and English RL could learn a lot from him to aid development of the Arundel's and Watkins' of our competition. Just as NSW are using Joey, a class act with a 'colourful' past

Whatever Gleesons problems are I hope he sorts them out and does what he does best, play rugby.

Always enjoyed watching him in P+B

What a player he is though. World class.

I certainly wouldn't call him wasted potential. He's played for two of the biggest clubs in rugby league and won a grand final at each of them. Not to mention he's represented his country.

Bad apple, yes. Wasted potential, no.

All the internet "false truths" that Sally eloquently referred to is summed-up in this one paragraph.

Perhaps jdrocket can list all these examples out?

My recollection is as follows:

Huddersfield - top young player who left a relegated club to move to a top team.

St Helens - victimised after being naive and winning the grand sum of £400 because he knew more than the bookies (he was one of few Saints players who actually backed-up and played in the Bradford game - and was probably Saints best on that day). Severely punished by his club who then agree a deal with Warrington and tell Gleeson they want him to go.

Warrington - tells the club he wants to go to Australia to play. Warrington persaude him to stay for another year with the promise he will be released for free from his contract then. In the meantime new coach arrives who doesn't want Gleeson in his squad and Wigan offer derious cash and a player new coach wants. Warrington tell him to talk to Wigan.

Wigan - scores in the club's lazarus like rise to Super League champions but then admittedly lets them down due to chaotic circumstances of his dealings outside of rugby.

Hull - turns their form around from the moment he signs. None of us know what his current problems actually are.

So where are all the examples of the "many chances in his career (that) he has often thrown them back into the faces of the people handing them to him"

Here, Here and so far he has left (of sorts) Hull amidst some speculation.

As I have said, I am not privvy to these internet rumours. I just know he has been "kicked out of" two clubs after being there for a very short time, amidst very suspicious circumstances and controversy. He was given the opportunity to play for the best team in the league TWICE and threw it away both times. You can trivialise what he has done. Saying he only did a bit of drink driving or only bet a little bit, i suppose that is for your conscience.

Now I feel we are just treading old ground here and I will leave with I just hope he recovers now.

As proved again , more lockage :icon_smile.gif


PS dont forget to pass them PM's on

Steve got there before me.

Admin have instructed all Gleeson threads on RLF to be locked, their call. I am guessing a Wire mod has not seen it yet hence it's still open.

Still carry on b#tching, Hutchie will back you up

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That goes for Hull posters criticising the Hull Mods, anymore of it and you're gone.

MOD rule.

Nelson Mandela and Amnesty International are going to come after you lot.