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Sport is about emotion, tribalism and loyalty. Business is centred around none of these factors.

Ideally each RL club would be able to attract enough paying customers, advertising, merchandising sales etc to cover all salary and running costs, but the Engage Super League is not a financial utopia. To do well clubs must have a backer who has the wealth and passion to fund success.
We all want the very same thing, a thriving Super League, where we are able to attract / keep the very best players, and clubs are viable. Unfortunately with the Salary Cap at half that of RU and also less than the NRL we are at disadvantage.

The talent drain to RU has thankfully not been significant over recent years, perhaps that is because when choosing a code to follow the youngsters have already made their minds up that RU is where the money is so we don't even see some of the talented kids in RL, because they have already made their career choices which are driven by the higher earnings potential in RU.

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Quote: Fatbelly "Sport is about emotion, tribalism and loyalty. Business is centred around none of these factors.

Ideally each RL club would be able to attract enough paying customers, advertising, merchandising sales etc to cover all salary and running costs, but the Engage Super League is not a financial utopia. To do well clubs must have a backer who has the wealth and passion to fund success.
We all want the very same thing, a thriving Super League, where we are able to attract / keep the very best players, and clubs are viable. Unfortunately with the Salary Cap at half that of RU and also less than the NRL we are at disadvantage.
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That shouldn't just be an 'ideal' that should be the minimum of what each club does, otherwise its unsustainable. What you seem to be saying is, we can't afford to cover our costs, but we need to have a salary cap increase to allow us to spend beyond our means even more.

Like you say sport is about emotion, tribalism and loyalty. Fans support the club they aren't attached to a player.

Remember a few years ago Kevin Penny burst on the scene and he was linked with RU. We managed to outbid them to keep him but what would have been the loss if he had gone to union? Would our fans have said that without this exciting player there was no point watching Warrington, or would they have said, hmm ok we're left with Chris Riley so lets give Riley a chance and see what he can do and support him?

Look at the NRL, it has shedded players for years to Super League and that keeps up the vibrancy of the competition. Ten years ago Royce Simmons coached Penrith, they came bottom, and then the SL clubs came and raided them, we got Domic and Rodwell, Leeds got Matt Adamson, Halifax got Robbie Beckett, Widnes got Steve Carter. Result - John Lang came in and refreshed the team with new blood from their youth set up and two years later they were Grand Final winners. The turnover of players creates opportunities for new players who otherwise wouldn't get a chance. Now the NRL is facing players going to union, players going to AFL, but its not going to collapse, they just give opportunities to new blood and the fans get behind them.

In fact I wonder what the effect would have been on guys like Riley and Harrison if the salary cap had been higher, whats the betting we'd have signed another established winger and another established back rower, those guys wouldn't have had the chances they did.

If we are going to increase the cap then I think we need to seriously reduce the number of teams in SL, otherwise a lot of clubs will end up in the hands of the administrators, forget about clubs like Harlequins and Celtic Crusaders and possibly even clubs like Cas or Salford. There's no point having teams who are whipping boys who can't compete at the bottom, or teams who are in administration because they have gone into the red. If we do decide that as a sport we need only those with rich backers to be viable then we need to look at a small competition eg 8 team league, everybody plays everybody else 4 times.

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Quote: Fatbelly "The talent drain to RU has thankfully not been significant over recent years, perhaps that is because when choosing a code to follow the youngsters have already made their minds up that RU is where the money is so we don't even see some of the talented kids in RL, because they have already made their career choices which are driven by the higher earnings potential in RU.'"


Interesting point this about kids maximising their earnings. Back in the days of amateur rugby union and big name defections in our direction I know of talented RL players who were advised to play rugby union so that they could get the big pay-day when they "gave up amateurism" and signed for rugby league.

I would imagine now that Eastmond will be next year the highest paid 21 year old in the Guiness Premiership. If you are a similar age product of Bath's academy working his way through the system how would you feel about earning a quarter or less than Eastmond is. As a talented kid would you be better off playing league at junior level with the intent of cashing in by going to union in your early twenties?

Perhaps we need to be marketing ourself on this basis. So what if some of the kids do then go to union, there will be others who may stick with league either through choice or lack of union interest.

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Quote: Paul Youane "Interesting point this about kids maximising their earnings. Back in the days of amateur rugby union and big name defections in our direction I know of talented RL players who were advised to play rugby union so that they could get the big pay-day when they "gave up amateurism" and signed for rugby league.

I would imagine now that Eastmond will be next year the highest paid 21 year old in the Guiness Premiership. If you are a similar age product of Bath's academy working his way through the system how would you feel about earning a quarter or less than Eastmond is. As a talented kid would you be better off playing league at junior level with the intent of cashing in by going to union in your early twenties?

Perhaps we need to be marketing ourself on this basis. So what if some of the kids do then go to union, there will be others who may stick with league either through choice or lack of union interest.'"


Spot on. And it could be argued that some of these kids playing union who see their paths to first team action barred by players brought in at great expense from league might be tempted to move across to league themselves. I'm sure some would be good enough.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "

When you are old enough to remember real greats like Hanley, Offiah and Davies then its hard to get excited about James Graham and Sam Tomkins however much Eddie and Stevo might try to convince us all that these are world class superstars. Hand on heart how many RL fans are going to start losing interest and following union because of Eastmond going? How many would it be if union signed Graham or Tomkins. These guys are replaceable'"


Graham and Tomkins are young players with the major part of their careers ahead of them, plenty of time to write their own history - who's to say they won't be seen as all time greats? I'm biased as regards Tomkins, I see him as Wigan's greatest pure talent since Brett Kenny, and look at Graham's stats week on week, he's far and away the best forward in the league. And yes I remember Hanley etc and also the previous batch of greats - Millward, Murphy, Reilly, etc.

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Hasn't Eastmond gone to Union for the opportunity to play for England on some of the biggest stages in the world? I would suspect that the money offered to him from both codes was very similar so this wouldn't have been the biggest motivational factor.

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