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| Quote: The All New Chester Wire "Quite. Nothing to do with powerful Jews in the UK or USA though. That was the dodgy bit in your analysis.'"
If not powerful Jews it will be to do with the volume of Jewish voters in the USA, which ties US foreign policy closely to Israel.
Put it this way, if Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, started carrying out the human rights abuses which Israel routinely does, then the US or UK would have been in to effect "regime change". They even did it with Milosevic. They wouldn't do it in Israel though because the high proportion of the Jewish population would cry anti semitism and it would be electoral suicide.
I'm sure Wires71 will have noticed however, that soon the Islamic countries will get carte blanche to do what they want, for the same reason, because in a few years 95% of the UK electorate will be Muslim! |
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As for the 9/11 theories, my response is always pretty clear, I simply don't see how it's possible that Bush and Co had a hand in the attacks, there is simply no way that after 9 years we would not have heard from a 'leak', to pull off such an attack and to keep the public relatively oblivious would need the co-operation of thousands of people, members of Congress, White House Staff, the Military and even the Media. And that I believe is just unattainable without encountering a person who would wimp out or tell all to the press.
However I do believe the fact that there were warnings and that is the limit of the Bush Administration's knowledge on the matter.
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.
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| Quote: matty wire 75 "your velkom mein got. Seriously though, i aint talking about the everyday jewish man/woman in the street. Im talking about the jewish radicals in Israel that want to push out the palestinians by whatever means by illegal land grab, creating hellhole ghetto's etc. And the actions of radical zionists in usa/here that lets them continue with this on a daily basis. Imagine your son/daughter gets annoyed at the situation and hurls a few stones at a tank. Then when your son/daughter get's shot dead by the IDF your told that because your loved one was involved in "terrorist activities" they are going to bulldoze your property within the hour and leave you with no home and a dead loved one. I aint no anti semite but that my friend is human rights abuse.'"
It's very similar to the activists that died on the blockade running ships. They attacked the Israeli commandos that were trying to search their ships.
If you play with fire, you get burned. |
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| Quote: Champions Again "As for the 9/11 theories, my response is always pretty clear, I simply don't see how it's possible that Bush and Co had a hand in the attacks, there is simply no way that after 9 years we would not have heard from a 'leak', to pull off such an attack and to keep the public relatively oblivious would need the co-operation of thousands of people, members of Congress, White House Staff, the Military and even the Media. And that I believe is just unattainable without encountering a person who would wimp out or tell all to the press.
However I do believe the fact that there were warnings and that is the limit of the Bush Administration's knowledge on the matter.
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.'"
I'm with you on this. Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation is normally the correct one. |
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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "What about Italy which already had a Fascist government?'"
Italy had indeed already gone fascist, but even then the fascists had never been a really mass movement. France was seething with all sorts of far-right types, actively encouraged by some of the WW1 generals (such as Franchet) and tacitly encouraged by others (such as Petain).
The far-right nearly launched a coup on 6th February 1934.
If you look here, there's a lot of info on it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis
I agree with you saying it's a really interesting period- all sorts of weird people appeared across Europe on both sides of the political spectrum. |
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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "What about Italy which already had a Fascist government?'"
Italy had indeed already gone fascist, but even then the fascists had never been a really mass movement. France was seething with all sorts of far-right types, actively encouraged by some of the WW1 generals (such as Franchet) and tacitly encouraged by others (such as Petain).
The far-right nearly launched a coup on 6th February 1934.
If you look here, there's a lot of info on it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis
I agree with you saying it's a really interesting period- all sorts of weird people appeared across Europe on both sides of the political spectrum. | |
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| Quote: Champions Again "
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.'"
There's a difference between the conspiracy theorists who like to claim every world event as evidence of their masterplan theory, and cases where there is suspicion of foul play like Diana's death....remember Dodi Al Fayed also died there, and his father has been challenging that for years. He's not doing that out of disrespect to the deceased or claiming it was part of an evil world masterplan, he reckons his son has been denied justice.
The David Kelly 'suicide' is another one where I think there is more than meets the eye, the more evidence that starts leaking out over that one, the more it sounds like he was murdered.
And there is Alexander Litvinenko who was investigating the murder of a journalist and got poisoned with radioactive coffee, that had the hands of the Russian security services all over it. |
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "
And there is Alexander Litvinenko who was investigating the murder of a journalist and got poisoned with radioactive coffee, that had the hands of the Russian security services all over it.'"
Probably fair to call that an out-and-out conspiracy rather than a theory, as we know that he was irradiated in a sushi bar. |
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| Quote: The All New Chester Wire "If HM Government grant a visa to a highly qualified brain surgeon, that will not cause an additional drain on our NHS resources. If she were married to a highly qualified engineer, the combined contribution of the couple would more than pay for your Eritrean who would only be granted asylum if she were facing persecution in her homeland.
And it's its.'"
All very well but none of that defeats the logic of my post. If the said Eritrean was granted asylum on the grounds of percecution (despite travelling across a number of safe havens where she should claim asylum first in most likelihood) then that will cause a drain on resources we would not have had previously.
I never maintained that the UK cannot benefit from immigration in some cases. |
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Dunblane and the links between Thomas Hamilton and MP George Robertson and that key evidence and documents are subject to the 100 year secrecy rule coupled with the rapid removal of Robertson from the Labour Government to Nato.
We must be careful as George Islay MacNeill Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen is extremely litigious.
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| Quote: P-J "It's very similar to the activists that died on the blockade running ships. They attacked the Israeli commandos that were trying to search their ships.
If you play with fire, you get burned.'"
whilst there hasnt been any evidence to back up your claim of the IDF commando's being attacked first, what is known is that the commando's went over the top. So far over that it not only outraged the UN but also dare i say it the british govt aswell. Imagine if you lived in the west bank, these people are denied access to basic medicines, clothing, schools, etc etc by a govt that is intent on crushing a populace who just want somewhere to call home. Now before i get called anti semitic or anything else i have no problem with israel just the israeli govt. |
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| Quote: Champions Again "As for the 9/11 theories, my response is always pretty clear, I simply don't see how it's possible that Bush and Co had a hand in the attacks, there is simply no way that after 9 years we would not have heard from a 'leak', to pull off such an attack and to keep the public relatively oblivious would need the co-operation of thousands of people, members of Congress, White House Staff, the Military and even the Media. And that I believe is just unattainable without encountering a person who would wimp out or tell all to the press.
However I do believe the fact that there were warnings and that is the limit of the Bush Administration's knowledge on the matter.
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.'"
There is a film available to view online called Loose change. Whilst alot of it makes you think some of it is contrived to make a conspiracy where there wasnt. Worth a look anyway and will probably leave you with a more open mind about 9/11 |
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Quote: Urmston Wire "I'm with you on this. Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.'"
It is also said that the biggest lie is the easiest to sell.
The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... =wtc7.html
This one is really interesting, the report of WT7 having collapsed on the BBC prior to it actually collapsing (it can still be seen in the background). This clip is a shortened one, if you watch the full version the live feed to Jane Standley is lost minutes before the the building actually collapsed.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo |
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Quote: Urmston Wire "I'm with you on this. Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.'"
It is also said that the biggest lie is the easiest to sell.
The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... =wtc7.html
This one is really interesting, the report of WT7 having collapsed on the BBC prior to it actually collapsing (it can still be seen in the background). This clip is a shortened one, if you watch the full version the live feed to Jane Standley is lost minutes before the the building actually collapsed.
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| Quote: Bacon "It is also said that the biggest lie is the easiest to sell.
The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
It is ventured that the plane that crashed into nowhere (due to the heroic actions of the passengers) was due to crash into WT7.
The whole thing stinks when you read into it. The semite who insured* WTC1 and WTC2 just 3 months before made a killing, the lucky so and so.
PS They hadn't been reinsured for 33 years prior.
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| Quote: Wires71 "It is ventured that the plane that crashed into nowhere (due to the heroic actions of the passengers) was due to crash into WT7.
The whole thing stinks when you read into it. The semite who insured* WTC1 and WTC2 just 3 months before made a killing, the lucky so and so.
PS They hadn't been reinsured for 33 years prior.'"
Stink it certainly does. It's a shame more people don't actually read into it instead of simply dismissing it as conspiracy theory nonsense. |
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