Must admit I had high hopes in February.

Yes we have. We played that well against Wigan (twice) and Leeds (twice) and you at Knowsley Road. One of the gripes of many Saints fans this season is pretty much the only time we have raised our game and played almost as well as we are capable (because we were very lax with covering the ball on Saturday) is against you, Wigan and Leeds. It's meant a goodly number of dull to extremely dull games for Saints fans.

We have a small hoodoo. We can't beat Leeds in Grand Finals but I suppose that doesn't count.

I think what Wire are perhaps suffering from is (a) over-anxiety: they know the fans want them to win, they know they want to win, and they lose the plot slightly as a result (they don't bottle it; they over-egg the pudding) and/or (b) you play a very similar style of rugby to Saints but we tend towards the middle while you tend towards the edges. To counteract us your players need to be more aware of the danger down the middle. Alternatively, just kick to Meli. That usually works!

Aye, but spurs turned them over when it really mattered in the Carling Cup final at wembley. Personally, i want it to be saints if we make the final and i even wanted them last year. Just 1 win in a final will hurt them more than any of these league matches have hurt us. Bring on the 28th of August!!

Atleast this time we was creating the chances to win in the last 10 minutes instead of hanging on to a win and then saints scoring or being behind and looking toothless in attack. You can't fault benny for his miss hes been kicking really well and did not have the bottle to kick it and messed up his technique.

In the world of "if only" if only he kicked it then we would have easily kicked a drop goal in that match as we played most of the last 10 minutes in their half.

That match was the first match i have actually felt like crying after it but oh well.

We will beat them when it matters in a final we still have that to cling on to haha

If you would of offered me second place and a semi final in the Challenge Cup Pre Season I would of grabbed your hand off. It's a massive improvement. 10th to 2nd in a season. ISWT.

what like Bradford,one of the most succesful clubs in the superleague era

this year beaten twice in the league and once in the cup..


it always used to be "we cant beat anyone above us in the table" well guess what the One club above us we have outplayed on two occasions narrowly losing at the start of the season and winning easily a few weeks ago.....

you dont deserve a club with a hint of success with an attitude like that

The attitude of some fans are disgusting, the best we've been for ages and people still have to moan.

Agreed. When I think of some of the crap I have had to endure on the terraces over the last thirty years I am now thanking my lucky stars that we now have a credible team and club.

Some people

I'm very happy how we've improved, the coach is a gem and it's a pleasure to watch warrington. Is it so terrible to acknowledge that we still have room for improvement? Champions, without exception are always disappointed at not being the best, always looking to improve, that's why they are champions.

Spot on Mark. Warrington haven't been in a decent position on and off the pitch since the time of AJ Murphy.
Our improvement is down to all at the HJ not just TS and the players. When you think of where we were in '02 and compare it to now its a staggering change. Even if we win nothing this year I'll still think of this season as being a huge step forward while playing some great rugby.

Our record against Saints is beyond ridiculous now. There was clearly a mental and not a physical block on Saturday. What's more amazing is that it affects everyone, even the new players.

I keep hearing both sets of players saying they dont talk about the record. That is obviously complete .

We are doing what we need to do right now. Knock out rugby hasn't started yet so what are we all worrying about. We can mix it with the big boys, fact. Yes we've lost but we consistently come closer to all of the other 'big four' than we ever have done, certainly in the last few years.

Look at the season overall and ask yourselves this. When was the last time we can claim to having outplayed wigan twice, should have beaten saints twice and should have beaten Leeds once all in one season?????

Yes we've beaten one or two of them at times bu we've also had a good hiding of the others in the same seasons. This season we are more consistent and genuinely worry all teams we play.

Head up people, its only a matter of time! We can still win the two cups, only four teams currently can and, all being well, this time next week we'll be one of only two who can still do the double!!

I've just read through the 4 pages of posts again, and I'm shaking my head at the people who've said that some of the posts are moans. NO THEY'RE NOT. Without wanting to sound like Rafa Benitez, let's go through some FACTS.

1 win against Stains in God knows how many years. Smith has had 3 attempts at them now, 2 of them at home, and one of those was against a depleted side. FACT

To my knowledge, we've played Wigan, Stains and Leeds 12 times now, under Smith's management, with a return of 3 wins. As fantastic a coach that Smith is (and I believe he IS the best in Super League), that record is just not good enough. If we're going to win the 2 proper trophies available, the chances are, we are going to face these teams in cup games/knockout games.
As somebody said above, if Hudds hadn't beat Stains in last years semi, would we have got our hands on the cup??????
We've got to start beating these teams. Wigan, as results show, we can deal with. Stains and Leeds on the other hand......

With regards to loads of previous posts "if someone offered us second place and a semi, I'd rip their hand off...... Look where we've come from"...etc, etc....yes, we have made a massive improvement, but let's not forget, we are spending our full salary cap allowance, with Test quality players playing every week. Last season's league position was, quite frankly, a joke.
Yes, I know Smith had a lot of issues to deal with, but we should have finished a lot higher, with what players we had.

As fans, some of us need to stop burying our head's in the sand saying "oh, we'll beat Saints one day". Excuse me, but as soon as the ball is teed up when ever we play Stains, previous results go straight out of the window, it's the 80 minutes that matters, not a stat that Eddie, Stevo and Clarke regurgitate every 2 minutes we play them.

As I said before, not moans, these are facts that the club, players and coach need to deal with. We've got to start beating Leeds and Stains if we want trophies!!!!

I believe we have a fantastic squad, and as previously mentioned, the best coach in the league. In fact, in the 30+ years I've been watching the Wire, the only QUALITY coach we've had.

Oh, and by the way, Paul Younane, I am neither LWF or Cullen's Pants

LET'S DO THE DOUBLE

What should we do instead then?