Was it Silverwood who was caught/photographed in a compromising position with some Warrington fans in France or was that Klein?

That's where I was initially coming from ref tempo.

I'm not sure that penalty counts tell the full story. I reckon if you ask any SL coach if you could choose when & where you want your penalties, they'd all take 'relieving penalties' when you're struggling to clear you own line on plays 3 & 4 and Saints were handed an awful lot of these on Friday, an awful lot. I think the first three sets of the game where these.

As for us, on at least two occasions, he gave us penalties when Saints were raggid, when we'd won the floor and had them on the back foot. Each time allowing Saints to re-set, it's counter productive.

If we fed the scrum it was re-fed three times. If we tapped on the 20, it wasn't in the middle. He niggles through a game.

One day, if we ever beat Saints (bare with me), as it's standard he'll be ref, even if it's 2050. I'd like to see the players celebrate in his face, like we did at school. Maybe surround him, and do that thing we you punch your hand with your fist and just mime "you're dead."

In the 2nd half you were handed about 5 of these. You were constantly in our half for a 10 - 15 minute period on Friday which was helped by the ref.

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You lot should just take it on the chin. He didn't cost you the game, there were no questionable decisions from him (The decisions for drop outs were given by the in goal judge, NOT Silverwood and the offside call when Gardner and Gidley collided was right and the no knock on against Roby near our line was also correct) and he didn't help us with relieving penalties, YOUR PLAYERS did. What cost you the game was the fact that you didn't start playing until the hour mark and then you caughed up a chance to win it late through Mathers' frankly embarassing mistake.

I trhink if you look at two of Warringtons tries they followed back to back penalties. Does that not alter the tempo? I do not like Silverwood, but for once I like what Keith Senior said. It's not so much the decisions but the fact that he comes across as arrogant when he gives them. If you want to see a relly poor referee "performance" come and watch Smith refree Saints !!

OK chaps, he is not bent, biased whatever - he is no better or worse than any ref in the league. The fact that both Wire and saints fans are complaining confirms it for me, read any forum post match and you will see it.

They have a thankless task - with players constantly trying to gain an advantage by whatever means and having very little support from the sidelines. How many decisions do they have to make during a game, I am sure that it is 1000's - just consider the PTB - defenders clear the ruck, hands in the tackle, markers square, defence back 10, ball played correctly. This happens 5 times a set.
Last play kicks - all of the above plus is the offence on side.

There are changes that could be made by the RFL to assist all refs - put more faith in the TJs,

If anyone watched the England France union game last night, we should be thankful for the standard of our referees (despite the goon Moore who questioned all decisions then apologised for 90% that he got wrong after watching 8 replays from various angles)

Finally, our win / loss record with Silverwood is nothing to do with Silverwood - it is down to the fact that he usually referees our high profile games against the top sides (leeds, stains etc) that we have been unable to win during SL era.

Someone with some sense at last! I get sick of hearing or reading people saying a ref is bent or biased. I wonder if some of thesepeople would take it up themselves. It always happens when a ref drops a clanger - "He's got it in for us!" Its easy to say a ref is bent when you're stood on the terraces isn't it?

was klein i think

Uncalled for I think. Its very easy to say that when on the terraces wearing P&B specs.

it wasn't the ref who cost us the game we only got 1 out of 4 goal attempts which lost us the game. simple best team won on the night and hopefully we make it up at hj

Fourteen 14 defeats and only four wins in three and a bit years.

Defeats:-
Bradford (2)
Catalan (1)
Harlequins (1)
Huddersfield (1)
Hull KR (2)
Saints (5)
Wigan (2)

Wins
Harlequins (1)
Hull KR (1)
Huddersfield (1)
Salford (1)

Take out all Saints games and we still have 4 wins and 9 losses (31% win ratio) with Silverwood compared to 40 wins and 26 defeats (61% win ratio) with all the other referees. Those remaining 13 games were hardly against the cream of SL!

I would love to know why we have had Silverwood five times out of nine games against Saints, and I have yet to hear any reasonable argument as to how our record with one particular referee can be so bad when compared to the rest.

Given those stats you should by now know what to expect from him and be able to tailor your game to suit it. Every referee has a style that players can see and they will know what they are likely to get away with under Silverwood compared with say Alibert.

And on those stats I can only see Quins that you have been comfortably better than over that period and wasn't that defeat an absolute blow out by something like 50 points in London?

If one referees style or interpretation is so different from the rest then firstly both teams would struggle to adapt rather than just one every time, and secondly shouldn't it be upto the referee to bring himself into line with every other referee?

Those stats are just win/loss with Silverwood. We have had him twice against wigan and lost both, with other referees we have won four and lost one. Against Bradford we have lost twice with Silverwood yet won three, lost two with the rest, Hull KR won one, lost two with Silverwood, won four, lost one with the rest.

Eighty-eight games in total, eighteen with Silverwood is a reasonabley sized sample to work from. Our win/loss ratio with Silverwood when compared to the rest is fishy to say the least!