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Quote: Thelonius "The more likely choice between Clarke or Grix as 17th man is far more difficult and I suspect would depend very much on the opposition, weather/ground conditions and probably most importantly, minor (ie players can still play but...) injuries to any of the other 16.'"


Grix every day of the week for me, hugely underrated and has so much more to offer than Clarke.

Clarke would be useful to the likes of Harlequinns, Salford or even the Crusaders. Unfortunately warrington have moved on from the likes of Jon Clarke.

Clarke gave great service when we were battling to stay in the league when Paul Cullen was installed as head coach and I can remember Clarkey putting in some great efforts, however like i say times have changed and so have warringtons requirements in terms of playing staff.

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Quote: Dion The Donkey "Are you for real. Smith didn't have anyother option back then as Cunningham, Robey and Newton were not available. That hooker from huddersfield was still suspended and all the other english hookers who are now playing regular SL hadn't even broken through back then.

Clarke got into the england team by default and Cullen was stupid enough to offer him a contract that was two years too long and far too lucrative. As it stands we are stuck with Clarke until the end of 2011. I would suggest that the only way he will get any further extension with warrington is if he takes a rather large pay cut. As previous posters have suggested Clarke will be nothing more than a back up second row, loose forward or third choice hooker - incidentally his play at hooker is far too slow, largely predictable and too many wayward/hospital passes.

Would you say that Clarke, if fit, would get into the England squad now? No he wouldn't, nowhere near.'"


Let's just get something straight here.

Newton was dropped in the series against the Kiwi's and Clarke was brought in.

Higham only went to the World Cup because Clarke got injured. He has said himself that Tony had confirmed to him he was going to be picked (before he was Warrington coach).

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Quote: Lefty "Let's just get something straight here.

Newton was dropped in the series against the Kiwi's and Clarke was brought in.

Higham only went to the World Cup because Clarke got injured. He has said himself that Tony had confirmed to him he was going to be picked (before he was Warrington coach).'"


I beg to differ, I clearly remember at the time that for various reasons Robey, Cunningham and Newton all said they weren't playing for england in that particular competition and effectively that made Clarkey the only choice unless Smith went for a complete rookie.

I remember watching that series and in every single game all that clarkey did was bend over pick the ball up and play it left or right nice and simple. Smith knows his limitations and made sure that Clarkey stuck to them. He is a Hooker of very limited ability is Clarkey, I much prefer him in the pack.

And like i stated earlier i think he would do a fantastic job for one of the teams that are currently in the lower reaches of SL.

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Quote: "Jon Clarke will become Great Britain's third unlikely debutant of the series in Saturday's second Test against New Zealand in Hull after Terry Newton became the latest victim of Tony Smith's emphasis on form rather than reputation.
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Quote: "Warrington-bound hooker Mickey Higham pipped Matt Diskin (Leeds) to a berth, with Terry Newton (Bradford) and Jon Clarke (Warrington) injured. '"


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Apolgy accepted.

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ok fair play i got it wrong about Newton, although if he was badly out of form like the article suggests then Smith couldn't possibly pick him.

Lets not forget here that Cunningham and Robey had made themselves unavailable, if either one had agreed to play them Clarkey would have been first out in favour of Newton and Cunningham or Robey.

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Smith picked him in the first game. He was crap so dropped him and put Clarke in. As for the second bite of your post that is just what you think not fact.

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If Clarke had of been fit I would have preferred him to be in the side instead of Higham on Sunday. It was only when Higham went off that the team started to improve.

I've not been there when Clarke has been given his instruction as to what to do on the field so won't generally criticise him because for all I know he could've just been doing as he's been told. Saying that I have seen enough from him in games to suggest that there is more to his game than what people claim he is capable of on here.

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You've hit the nail on the head Andy Wire. Of course he does what's he's told. Pick the ball up and let your prop run onto it. It was the Warrington style.

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Quote: Lefty "Let's just get something straight here.

Newton was dropped in the series against the Kiwi's and Clarke was brought in.

Higham only went to the World Cup because Clarke got injured. He has said himself that Tony had confirmed to him he was going to be picked (before he was Warrington coach).'"

well a good pick off smith then as higham was one ov the only players to stand out icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif .p.s smith also said he should have pickt higham before moore this time round ,just the arm injury gave moore the shout ,but by god how bad was moore , a026.gif a026.gif a026.gif

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Quote: Andy Wire "If Clarke had of been fit I would have preferred him to be in the side instead of Higham on Sunday. It was only when Higham went off that the team started to improve.

I've not been there when Clarke has been given his instruction as to what to do on the field so won't generally criticise him because for all I know he could've just been doing as he's been told. Saying that I have seen enough from him in games to suggest that there is more to his game than what people claim he is capable of on here.'"

ya reet pal

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Quote: Dion The Donkey "Would you say that Clarke, if fit, would get into the England squad now? '"


Yes - I would say that because it would quite clearly wind you up & also because you quite clearly have little understanding of the role & direction Clarke brings to the team when he plays. But mainly because it would wind you up.

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Quote: magic piano "Would you say that Clarke, if fit, would get into the England squad now? '"


Yes - I would say that because it would quite clearly wind you up & also because you quite clearly have little understanding of the role & direction Clarke brings to the team when he plays. But mainly because it would wind you up.'"


Not true though is it?

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So you guys haven't heard the rumours that JC is heading out on loan to a championship side to get fit then?

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Quote: worthing wire "Not true though is it?'"



Dunno - who would be ahead of him? Roby, no not hit form since ridiculously getting MOS a few years back; Diskin, possibly; Hudson, about the same as Clarke these days; Moore, no chance; Purdham, not a hooker. Erm, struggling now...

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Quote: Jaypeet "So you guys haven't heard the rumours that JC is heading out on loan to a championship side to get fit then?'"


Makes sense - he's been out over 6 months, let him play his way back to match fitness with a part-time outfit like Widnes while training full time with Wire.

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