well he used them quick feet more than anyone else in SL this year, top line breaks and try assists.

No all it proves he is happy at Wire, who knows he may have had the option to leave but is happy to stay and why not? I dont blame him he could be part of a special Warrington team in the next few years.

Firstly point out in my recent posts on here where it would indicate i know nothing about rugby league?

His form at Saints was not a myth, on what grounds can you claim this? He was far sharper and in physicaly better condition, his passing game and ability to use his footwork has always been his main assett and is indeed top class and this is what still makes him a great threat.

His pace has dropped significantly in the last few years, as someone who watches rugby league every week regardless of the team, i do not attend Wigan week in week out, i have watched Gleeson fairly regullarly since he Hudds days where he was much sharper than he was at Saints although not as complete a player.

My worry is that year on year his condition seems to have detiriorated, i hope for Englands sake a new condtioner can get him back in shape and then he could be considered world class if he can add that extra yard of pace back to his game.

For what its worth he will never be in the same class as the bloke lining up in the opposite centre spot for Wire next year, he is truely worthy of the world class tag.

Seriously Right, Not saying he is a bad player but that is a shocking statement to make, he is millions of miles behind most of the playing in Aus.

Martin Gleeson has a clause in the new contract that will allow him to sign for Wigan whenever he feels like he needs a change.

Does this mean we can get rid of Mark Gleeson now then?

He stays, that's another clause

Also this has put us over ther salary cap but a special deal has been done with the RFL that enables us to partially pay certain players in sherbet dib-dabs, wispa bars and american cream soda.

The landlords of Warrington will be delighted too, no doubt.

Yawn.

He had a good season this year in my opinion. I don't see where all the citicism came from.

I'll bet he'll have a superb season this time round, with King on the left side many defences will have more than one strike player to worry about.

I would love to be paid in those three items.

Doubt it, very rarely goes out in Warrington

let's another good 3 years gleese

excellent news for the club and shows that he wants to play for us

absolute rubbish his name will be one of the first on Tony Smiths team sheet for the world cup.....

Yeaman Looks a cert for the other centre berth and after those two you are struggling for a decent English Centre so while the also rans like the Kevin Browns, and Chav Walkers of the world ARE a million miles behind anything in Aus, Gleeson is most certainly not.

Be interesting to hear your views on O'loughlin as being one of the best back rowers in the World...???

Beats going out in the hole that is Leigh, I reckon.

The rest of your post does just that.

A few quick bullets, as I can't be d.

1. He's never been quick. He may have been quicker at Hudds when we was 7 years younger and about 3 stone lighter agreed.

2. He's been far & away more productive for us than he was at Saints, at the best team in the league so how has his form dipped.

3. Coupled with the above, his winger has scored 20+ tries for the last 3 years.

4. The likes of Reardon & Penny have also profited from Glees' when playing outside of him.

5. His physical condition is fine, the only time he looked magnifique was when he'd been a silly boy and he pumped iron for 6 mths, what do you suggest, we ban him again, just so he'll look cut up in a top in flares.

6. He's not world class, but he's as good as Britain have got.

7. As mentioned a billion times, he'll profit far more than anybody else in a Warrington shirt from our recruitment this year, the added threat that we'll produce on the left will force defenders to leave others iscolated opposing Gleeson, 1 vs 1 there's not many better than he still.

good point

Il respond to each point individually.

1. Gaining weight should not slow you down leam muscle mass if you condition youself correctly will lead to improvements in maximal strength which in turn can be converted to power, power is the ability to produce force quickly over a short period of time, which means increased power = increased speed.

2.The stats may say he has been more productive yes but that does mean he has been a better player? Of course not it simply means he has had more opportunity in the Wire team than he did at Saints, because they could break teams in other areas. It would be interesting to see a ratio of the times his ball is in his hands to assisst ratio, if that stat is available and shows he has a higher percentage conversionm in a Wire shirt i will agree with you. From what i have seen he converted more of his chances at Saints, anecdotal evidance but unill we get empiracle evidence on that its the best we have.

3.See point 2.

4.see point 2

5. His physical condition is not fine he is clearly carrying excess dead weight, if all he did was pump iron and not cnvert it to power through a periodized process in those 6 months your conditioning staff want shooting.

6.Agree although Senior does seem to have found a resurgance in form this last year.

7.If his try assists go down next year due to the added quality does it mean he will have played worse, or does it mean you have relied on him less, see point 2.

he just can't win if he does one thing he's e and if he does another he's e.


Have a read of this, especially the bit in bold, then go round gleeson's house, tell him stats are meaningless and he should retire.

Nobody claims he is.

Kevin Ashcroft does, had to stifle my giggles reading the metro this morning whilst the garry schofield of this side of the pennines proclaimed that sideshow lockers had surpassed farrell's level of greatness.

I dont think that at all. Whats this got to do with Lockers anyway?

FWIW Lockers performed well in the games against NZ - No-one can deny that, im just waiting for him to perform like that for wigan.

In all honesty, i do tend to air on the side of caution when reading stats/information posted by an individual, who, in all honesty, looks to struggle with the spelling of their own personal name.