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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"Steady on chaps.
Ratty Muscle looks to have been dropped. He only has himself to answer for that and we cannot pass fault on anyone else.
I may be guilty myself of saying he won't get good service but to fumble such an easy take was shameful.
However in some defence of him, my opinion, he hasn't been responsible for a loss.'"
I'm not sure you can point a finger at any other one player and say they are responsible for a loss, loads of things in a game can happen differently in a game that could potentially change the outcome, a fumble with the line open in front is obvious but there are a lot more subtle things too. Russel has made some errors, yes he has carried pretty well but I think the most damming thing for him is that he hasn't been responsible for a try, no scores or assists in 3 games and as a winger that's probably why he has been dropped (assuming he isn't injured which is entirely possible). I really hope that the team looks more balanced with mitch brown, if not I am not sure what other options we have in the squad, maybe Matty will come back stronger who knows, I haven't seen anything of Taylor Prell so can't say if he would be worth a go. Only other option could be Atkins on the wing? We are so short of backs.
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| Quote CW8="CW8"I'm not sure you can point a finger at any other one player and say they are responsible for a loss, loads of things in a game can happen differently in a game that could potentially change the outcome, a fumble with the line open in front is obvious but there are a lot more subtle things too. Russel has made some errors, yes he has carried pretty well but I think the most damming thing for him is that he hasn't been responsible for a try, no scores or assists in 3 games and as a winger that's probably why he has been dropped (assuming he isn't injured which is entirely possible). I really hope that the team looks more balanced with mitch brown, if not I am not sure what other options we have in the squad, maybe Matty will come back stronger who knows, I haven't seen anything of Taylor Prell so can't say if he would be worth a go. Only other option could be Atkins on the wing? We are so short of backs.'"
I don't consider myself to be in any particular camp as far as Russell is concerned. However, our attack has been so left focused so far, I'm not surprised he hasn't come within a sniff of a try scoring opportunity.
Had Roberts been fully fit I think our attack would have been more balanced and we would see Russell in more try scoring situations - he hasn't had that shot yet in 2018.
He's averaging 135m per game ball in hand - which shouldn't be ignored, however, he's made far too many errors and cost us tries or put the opposition in strong areas due to his errors, it's a constant issue with his game, and needs resolving (amongst other things) if he wants to be in a good side.
I'm looking for Brown to come in and offer an aerial threat, be a safe pair of hands and be a good defender. He wont make the yards Russell does, so work will have to be made elsewhere, and he's hardly Martin Offiah, so he's not adding any extra pace.
I'm sure there are wingers out there that offer what Russell does without the issues he brings with him, and a club with grand final aspirations should probably be looking for better on the wing. He's under contract till Nov 2019, so this year is a big one for him, we've shown before we're happy to pay off contracts for under performing players, or to make room for new players coming in.
I like the fact Price has dropped him, sends a good message and hopefully he can come back in at some point as a stronger player - if he has it in him.
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| Quote CW8="CW8"I'm not sure you can point a finger at any other one player and say they are responsible for a loss, loads of things in a game can happen differently in a game that could potentially change the outcome, a fumble with the line open in front is obvious but there are a lot more subtle things too. Russel has made some errors, yes he has carried pretty well but I think the most damming thing for him is that he hasn't been responsible for a try, no scores or assists in 3 games and as a winger that's probably why he has been dropped (assuming he isn't injured which is entirely possible). I really hope that the team looks more balanced with mitch brown, if not I am not sure what other options we have in the squad, maybe Matty will come back stronger who knows, I haven't seen anything of Taylor Prell so can't say if he would be worth a go. Only other option could be Atkins on the wing? We are so short of backs.'"
Does anyone have any news on Jack Johnson is he injured or just out of the 19? I think he's a better proposition than Russell on the wing and certainly at FB and must be ahead of Taylor Prell in the pecking order?
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| Quote Alffi_7="Alffi_7"I don't consider myself to be in any particular camp as far as Russell is concerned. However, our attack has been so left focused so far, I'm not surprised he hasn't come within a sniff of a try scoring opportunity.
Had Roberts been fully fit I think our attack would have been more balanced and we would see Russell in more try scoring situations - he hasn't had that shot yet in 2018.
He's averaging 135m per game ball in hand - which shouldn't be ignored, however, he's made far too many errors and cost us tries or put the opposition in strong areas due to his errors, it's a constant issue with his game, and needs resolving (amongst other things) if he wants to be in a good side.
I'm looking for Brown to come in and offer an aerial threat, be a safe pair of hands and be a good defender. He wont make the yards Russell does, so work will have to be made elsewhere, and he's hardly Martin Offiah, so he's not adding any extra pace.
I'm sure there are wingers out there that offer what Russell does without the issues he brings with him, and a club with grand final aspirations should probably be looking for better on the wing. He's under contract till Nov 2019, so this year is a big one for him, we've shown before we're happy to pay off contracts for under performing players, or to make room for new players coming in.
I like the fact Price has dropped him, sends a good message and hopefully he can come back in at some point as a stronger player - if he has it in him.'"
Agree with almost all of that but 2 of our 3 tries were scored on the right last week by Atkins and Russell should have scored another. We have attacked that side enough for him to get over and he hasn't. If it turns out that he's our best option after we have tried a few other combination then fair enough he should be back in.
UR, yes I have liked Jack Johnson when we have seen him at fullback especially, he's another player worth a go.
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| Quote Alffi_7="Alffi_7"I don't consider myself to be in any particular camp as far as Russell is concerned. However, our attack has been so left focused so far, I'm not surprised he hasn't come within a sniff of a try scoring opportunity.
Had Roberts been fully fit I think our attack would have been more balanced and we would see Russell in more try scoring situations - he hasn't had that shot yet in 2018.
He's averaging 135m per game ball in hand - which shouldn't be ignored, however, he's made far too many errors and cost us tries or put the opposition in strong areas due to his errors, it's a constant issue with his game, and needs resolving (amongst other things) if he wants to be in a good side.
I'm looking for Brown to come in and offer an aerial threat, be a safe pair of hands and be a good defender. He wont make the yards Russell does, so work will have to be made elsewhere, and he's hardly Martin Offiah, so he's not adding any extra pace.
I'm sure there are wingers out there that offer what Russell does without the issues he brings with him, and a club with grand final aspirations should probably be looking for better on the wing. He's under contract till Nov 2019, so this year is a big one for him, we've shown before we're happy to pay off contracts for under performing players, or to make room for new players coming in.
I like the fact Price has dropped him, sends a good message and hopefully he can come back in at some point as a stronger player - if he has it in him.'"
Didn't you watch the game vs Widnes. Our attack went up the middle and down the right.
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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"Didn't you watch the game vs Widnes. Our attack went up the middle and down the right.'"
Kicked right, through the hands to the left.
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| It's where the points came from.
The best chance down the left was fumbled by Bryson.
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| Time to forget Russell now, i've raised before my concerns around him and it's good we're utilizing the full squad. Next question is, how much time do we give Brown? Judging him of 1 match (bar an absolute stinker) isn't enough time IMO. I'm hoping for a solid performance from a man who wants a contract next year and to move on from the past few years of one season players (Bailey, Cox, Sandow et al)
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| Quote moving on...="moving on...":lol:
we've not influenced anything. Price has just proved us to be right all along, that RUSSELL ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. why on earth would us 'usual suspects' think that we had any influence on this? Get over yourself, Price has seen 3 games and realized what normal people realised 4 years ago.'"
Good to see you number 3. Perhaps using the time spent finding emojis might be better spent reading the posts you reference.
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"Good to see you number 3. Perhaps using the time spent finding emojis might be better spent reading the posts you reference.'"
I am not a number... I AM A FREE MAN!
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"Let me make this clear. You start with an assumption that it isn’t due to injury. Then leap to that being a vindication. Then you laud Price for dropping him when your starting point was you don’t know if he was dropped due to injury.
So to answer your question you are definitely one of the usual suspects, but you knew that.
(Just to make it even clearer your use of the word “vindication” was the back clapping I was referring to).
Karetakers reference to continuing to bleat until change takes place (I’m paraphrasing) was the deluded part. (Obviously suspect 2).
If anyone else wants clarification as to whether or not they fall into usual suspect category feel free to ask.
Ps if you can find a post where I suggest that Russell is a good winger, fill your boots.'"
As I thought. No evidence offered of anyone making a causal link between forum posts and Prices's actions which is what you asserted here.
Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook" Oh good, Russell isn’t playing so the usual suspects clap themselves on their backs as though Price was in some way influenced by them, deluded doesn’t even come close.
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I am flattered you have categorised me.
* [urlhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/causal[/url
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| Quote CW8="CW8"I'm not sure you can point a finger at any other one player and say they are responsible for a loss, loads of things in a game can happen differently in a game that could potentially change the outcome, a fumble with the line open in front is obvious but there are a lot more subtle things too. Russel has made some errors, yes he has carried pretty well but I think the most damming thing for him is that he hasn't been responsible for a try, no scores or assists in 3 games and as a winger that's probably why he has been dropped (assuming he isn't injured which is entirely possible)..'"
To be fair to him he was responsible for Huddersfields last try where he could have reasonable been expected to ground the kick dead.
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