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| Quote: hull2524 "the ref saw the ball grounded but not on the first movement,player is still allowed to wriggle and place the ball down, he wanted to double chk if hed lost it before, it happens all the time . refs are always checking to cover there backs, TBH draw wouldnt have been a bad result,'"
Why did he send it upstairs then if he saw the ball grounded, have you spoken to him, or are you guessing just like him? |
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| Quote: Saddened! "I said on Twitter I'd have been raging if that was Saints losing to that call. But, it's a very difficult one to find a system for. The benefit of the doubt to the attacking team mantra comes into it, you can always flip your argument and say they can't prove he hasn't scored either. It's entirely possible the ball squirms off the hand under it or that he forces one end of it into contact with the grass. We'll likely never know and if it was disallowed, rather than being on this board, it'd be on Hull's with them saying the opposite.
Interesting tactics from Wire today I thought. Ultra quick play the balls, so many scoots or quick darts at the line and throwing it around like it's the last 5 minutes of the game all game. It looks very lively and threatening and is similar to how you used to play against Saints. It'll bring a lot of line breaks and I guess is playing to your strengths as it avoids the forwards. It's a flawed system though as playing at that intensity will bring about a lot of errors. Your outcome in a lot of games will likely be determined by how many balls you drop and you'll defeat yourselves at times.'"
Good analysis that. Makes sense to me… |
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| Quote: Moe syslak "If he's not seen the ball on the grass(which he hadn't!)how the f@#k can he send it up as a try? As soon as he sends it up as a try we all know it's being given.'"
Presumably he thought it hits the grass that's why he sent it up as a try. After the luxury of watching all the angles in slow motion we can all say we see a hand separating the ground and the ball until the bodies block our view. |
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| Quote: sir adrian morley "Wait till this happens to saints..mcmoanalot..sorry McManus will be crying for this rule to be changed and fast'"
It would never go up as a try against Saints; it simply wouldn't. |
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I'm really not sure what you expect a referee to do. If this was a game without cameras no one would bat an eyelid right there if the ref gave a try. It happens ALL the time in hundreds of games up and down the country. He has to make a call. At least he made one and didn't bottle it. Likely he gave the call he would have given without the benefit of the cameras. benefit of doubt to the attacking side perhaps, did he see something the cameras didn't. (they have limited angles)
So without the cameras there nothing would be any different!
The ball has to touch just one blade of grass - we cannot say it does we cannot say it does not with the camera angles- BUT who's to say that the ref didn't get a view not seen by the cameras?
I keep hearing they should go upstairs without a decision - we had that remember and that caused even more controversy.
Let the ref make a decision like he does in every game. if you think you can do better stop moaning about it and click this link!
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I'm really not sure what you expect a referee to do. If this was a game without cameras no one would bat an eyelid right there if the ref gave a try. It happens ALL the time in hundreds of games up and down the country. He has to make a call. At least he made one and didn't bottle it. Likely he gave the call he would have given without the benefit of the cameras. benefit of doubt to the attacking side perhaps, did he see something the cameras didn't. (they have limited angles)
So without the cameras there nothing would be any different!
The ball has to touch just one blade of grass - we cannot say it does we cannot say it does not with the camera angles- BUT who's to say that the ref didn't get a view not seen by the cameras?
I keep hearing they should go upstairs without a decision - we had that remember and that caused even more controversy.
Let the ref make a decision like he does in every game. if you think you can do better stop moaning about it and click this link!
https://www.rugby-league.com/get-involv ... official-- | |
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| Quote: jools "I'm really not sure what you expect a referee to do. If this was a game without cameras no one would bat an eyelid right there if the ref gave a try. It happens ALL the time in hundreds of games up and down the country. He has to make a call. At least he made one and didn't bottle it. Likely he gave the call he would have given without the benefit of the cameras. benefit of doubt to the attacking side perhaps, did he see something the cameras didn't. (they have limited angles)
So without the cameras there nothing would be any different!
The ball has to touch just one blade of grass - we cannot say it does we cannot say it does not with the camera angles- BUT who's to say that the ref didn't get a view not seen by the cameras?
I keep hearing they should go upstairs without a decision - we had that remember and that caused even more controversy.
Let the ref make a decision like he does in every game. if you think you can do better stop moaning about it and click this link!
Your loyalty to Kendall is commendable, you've stuck with him since he was a young player at your club, did you have a thingy about him.
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| Quote: Boss Hog "Another incident missed by Kendall in the 1st half of the game.
Pi$$ poor, when he was so quick to sinbin Currie.
I shouted as soon as i seen this. Nothing done. Gale was even limping after it......poor performance again from Kendall.
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| Quote: jools "I'm really not sure what you expect a referee to do. If this was a game without cameras no one would bat an eyelid right there if the ref gave a try. It happens ALL the time in hundreds of games up and down the country. He has to make a call. At least he made one and didn't bottle it. Likely he gave the call he would have given without the benefit of the cameras. benefit of doubt to the attacking side perhaps, did he see something the cameras didn't. (they have limited angles)
So without the cameras there nothing would be any different!
The ball has to touch just one blade of grass - we cannot say it does we cannot say it does not with the camera angles- BUT who's to say that the ref didn't get a view not seen by the cameras?
I keep hearing they should go upstairs without a decision - we had that remember and that caused even more controversy.
Let the ref make a decision like he does in every game. if you think you can do better stop moaning about it and click this link!
You’re right, no camera and it’s a try, the issue is, there was cameras, and there is scrutinising as part of the entertainment, and because of that, there is a duty to the viewer to get the decision correct. There was enough evidence for the pitch ref to have reviewed his original decision as with the Aus ruling, and called it differently, something currently a SL VR cannot do.
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He sent it up to the VR based on a guess, he didn't have a scooby doo whether that ball was down or not but he certainly wasn't going to send it up as no try with 9000 Hull fans between him and the motorway.
The villain of the piece is the six again rule. Totally subjective, wide open to abuse (hence the furore around acting sneaking into the game), inconsistently applied and diminishes the spectacle. Bin it off.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "He sent it up to the VR based on a guess, he didn't have a scooby doo whether that ball was down or not but he certainly wasn't going to send it up as no try with 9000 Hull fans between him and the motorway.
The villain of the piece is the six again rule. Totally subjective, wide open to abuse (hence the furore around acting sneaking into the game), inconsistently applied and diminishes the spectacle. Bin it off.'"
Spot on it's THE most inconsistently policed law ever IMO same thing happened against Salford for a couple of their scores. I know I've P&B specs but these recent decisions, administered so marginally, are deciding games it's so open to abuse on every level. . |
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This is all a farce. Get rid of video calls she just let the referee make the calls again. Game needs to flow better and mistakes are still made all the time. Adds nothing to the spectacle…
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "He sent it up to the VR based on a guess, he didn't have a scooby doo whether that ball was down or not but he certainly wasn't going to send it up as no try with 9000 Hull fans between him and the motorway.'"
not quite, he sent it up to the VR on the balance of probability - like refs do every single game without the benefit of the cameras there. I thought the idea was they were supposed to award the try based on what they would have given if the cameras weren't present. If the cameras weren't present I would hazard there would not have been a debate about it at all and the decision would have been accepted without question.
I repeat, we still cannot see what the ref saw at the time even with the multiple camera angles. Perhaps what we really need is a "ref cam" rather than multiple camera angles! |
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I've seen this again a few times now and I don't see how the try couldnt have been awarded really on balance of probability kendall has to think it very likely touched a blade of grass. Under old rules benefit of doubt to the attack awards the try as well. It looked held up to me and camera angles suggested held up but the ball goes missing and could very well have been grounded.
Really though I'm at a loss to see what the 6 again was awarded for 2 tackles previous to the try. That was the really shocking decision from kendal. He did it to us all game, Hull got a few against them too. Absolutely appalling referee.
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| Quote: CW8 "
Really though I'm at a loss to see what the 6 again was awarded for 2 tackles previous to the try. That was the really shocking decision from kendal. He did it to us all game, Hull got a few against them too. Absolutely appalling referee.'"
I couldn`t see any reason either, he just seemed to buckle under the pressure from the home crowd. |
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