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| Quote: ratticusfinch "Do grown adults always go for pitchforks? In this day and age anyone could fabricate any horrific allegation against you online and you'd be powerless until the truth came out. People should bear that in mind. IF this is true (i have no idea) then yes he will be sacked and hopefully face a custodial sentence until then...just behave and have a word with yourself.
And rugby one-upmanship after an alleged domestic violence issue...classy.'"
In this day and age it's easy to ruins someone career, marriage, public life and friendships with an accusation, to be honest it's to easy.
I don't know what he is accused of, because I am not on facebook and although I am on twitter I have not seen anything about it, only seen what is on here and the "Official Statement" and I am not about to go looking for what he accused of doing because frankly it's not for me to judge him because I do not have all the fact's, and without fact's you cannot judge something.
I have seen it a few times where people are accused of something and they are judged by people to be guilty, loosing friends and jobs only to be proven innocent of what they are accused of but they always have it hanging over there head because people just won't give it up.
Unfortunately in this instance, it's already affected his career and his reputation with the fans without the fact's being presented which is why I won't judge him, and it may be warranted that it's affected it but it also may not be warranted, unless someone who was actually there speaks to the media, which I suspect they won't be allowed to if it's a serious incident then all people have to go off is rumours, rumours which like chinese whispers could have vital information missing.
If proven innocent it's still going to affect his career etc because people will believe it's a cover up and never let it go, but others will forget and move on.
If proven guilty though, I would hope if it's serious enough to warrant a stint behind bars that he receives a sentence befitting of the crime and not given special treatment because of "Celebrity Status" and if it's not befitting of a stint behind bars but deserves sacking or a suspension then he should get what it deserves.
This is the problem with social media, something happens and it spreads like wildfire before anything is known and in this instance brings bad press to the sport and the club.
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| Quote: Damienc "In this day and age it's easy to ruins someone career, marriage, public life and friendships with an accusation, to be honest it's to easy.
I don't know what he is accused of, because I am not on facebook and although I am on twitter I have not seen anything about it, only seen what is on here and the "Official Statement" and I am not about to go looking for what he accused of doing because frankly it's not for me to judge him because I do not have all the fact's, and without fact's you cannot judge something.
I have seen it a few times where people are accused of something and they are judged by people to be guilty, loosing friends and jobs only to be proven innocent of what they are accused of but they always have it hanging over there head because people just won't give it up.
Unfortunately in this instance, it's already affected his career and his reputation with the fans without the fact's being presented which is why I won't judge him, and it may be warranted that it's affected it but it also may not be warranted, unless someone who was actually there speaks to the media, which I suspect they won't be allowed to if it's a serious incident then all people have to go off is rumours, rumours which like chinese whispers could have vital information missing.
If proven innocent it's still going to affect his career etc because people will believe it's a cover up and never let it go, but others will forget and move on.
If proven guilty though, I would hope if it's serious enough to warrant a stint behind bars that he receives a sentence befitting of the crime and not given special treatment because of "Celebrity Status" and if it's not befitting of a stint behind bars but deserves sacking or a suspension then he should get what it deserves.
This is the problem with social media, something happens and it spreads like wildfire before anything is known and in this instance brings bad press to the sport and the club.'"
To be fair you’re quite right about unfounded accusations, there were lots of claims about Escare that never came to be true (I for one don’t believe a conspiracy that a company hid an employees alleged criminal act)
This thing with Gelling has been reported on the tv news, national newspaper websites and Wite themselves have suspended him. I don’t think that this is just smoke....
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| Quote: rubber duckie "I've said it before.
Rugby players are thick.
..and some are very thick.'"
I can assure you RD that they are not thick when money is discussed.
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| If this is true and he gets sacked it won't de-rail the club at all, one guy doesn't have that power and if he did the other players would be pretty soft if so. And if it is true theres no guarantee he'll get fired, he'd proberbly go to councelling etc the same as drug users and drink drivers etc
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| Quote: Or thane "And if it is true theres no guarantee he'll get fired, he'd proberbly go to councelling etc the same as drug users and drink drivers etc'"
Are you kidding me? The club will sack him so fast his feet wont touch the ground.
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| Prem footballers hit the pop, hit the wife, get convicted of rape and child abuse and no-one says it's indicative of a problem with football. It's [ipeople[/i, most are idiots and add money, ego, drink and/or drugs and you've got uber idiots.
Gelling, if proved guilty, is another example of cowardly, manipulative cruelty in it's worse form. Not the first, sadly not the last. Throw the book at him, thwn escort him out of professional sport, and civilised society, for good.
In terms of impact on the field, virtually zero. He has been one of the more disappointing aspects of a good start to the season.
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| Quote: Or thane "If this is true and he gets sacked it won't de-rail the club at all, one guy doesn't have that power and if he did the other players would be pretty soft if so. And if it is true theres no guarantee he'll get fired, he'd proberbly go to councelling etc the same as drug users and drink drivers etc'"
Wounding with intent? He'll probably go to prison. (if true/charged etc etc)
But as the club haven't sacked him yet, it might not quite as black and white as it appears.
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| Quote: Jordan Rankin "Agree with everything above^'"
Are you the real Jordan Rankin?
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| Quote: Jack Napier "Wounding with intent? He'll probably go to prison. (if true/charged etc etc)
But as the club haven't sacked him yet, it might not quite as black and white as it appears.'"
The club will have taken legal advice, because they don't want to be on the wrong end of an unfair dismissal case. Better to carry out an investigation first before a knee jerk reaction.
Suspending him while that goes on seems sensible and it seems to me like the club has handled this right, taking quick action without going beyond what they should do at this point.
If he is found guilty then his Warrington career will be over.
The real controversy will come if later on someone tries to sign him, and both the league (it may not be SL) and the club involved will have to make an ethical decision on whether it's appropriate, as with Folau.
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| Wow. Just look at the state of this.
As I type, there are 50, yes 50 RL Fans members (with names.. not the 334 guests) and only 19 of them are Wire fans, and it's 4 days before our next match. You'd be lucky to see 8 on here, any normal day. This is just a sad indictment of society has become. Almost two thirds currently have come to gloat.
IF Gelling has transgressed, then I hope he gets the necessary punishment.
However, if its all a storm in a teacup and things have been blown out of proportion, or he's not guilty, and he has no case to answer, I'm afraid he'll still be tarred with a certain brush
Pitchforks and burning torches are out, yet no one's been found guilty. No one but those involved, know what's gone on, but trial by social media, is already in overdrive.
I'm all for reasonable banter on Wire pages. I rarely visit other sites, and I CERTAINLY DON'T gloat on them (some whoppers are still on here, 6 days after a defeat). I hope the mods keep a close eye on this one. "The mob" can be a baying crowd, who'll only be happy with a certain outcome.
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| Quote: Angelus "They even managed to erase any record of it from the internet. Amazing.'"
You’re very naive if you think every arrest ever made is available in the public domain.
He was arrested, that’s a fact. On the same night Craig Mullen was arrested and subsequently charged.
They did a good job of damage limitation in all fairness. Escare was lucky they’d had so much bad press beforehand, otherwise he’d have been thrown to the wolves. Instead, they covered it up to protect the clubs reputation.
You think it’s just a coincidence he’s hardly had a game since and was shipped to Wakefield?
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| Quote: Early Bath "I can assure you RD that they are not thick when money is discussed.'"
They are...they're getting screwed by there agents.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "The club will have taken legal advice, because they don't want to be on the wrong end of an unfair dismissal case. Better to carry out an investigation first before a knee jerk reaction.
Suspending him while that goes on seems sensible and it seems to me like the club has handled this right, taking quick action without going beyond what they should do at this point.
If he is found guilty then his Warrington career will be over.
The real controversy will come if later on someone tries to sign him, and both the league (it may not be SL) and the club involved will have to make an ethical decision on whether it's appropriate, as with Folau.'"
Yeah, agree with that. It's the legally wise thing to do.
It's pretty stupid, as many have done, to have a go at the club for not sacking him.
I'd expect him to get the Barba treatment, if guilty.
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| Quote: Jack Napier "Wounding with intent? He'll probably go to prison. (if true/charged etc etc)
But as the club haven't sacked him yet, it might not quite as black and white as it appears.'"
Innocent until proven guilty so Wire have handled this in the correct way, as any employer should. Suspension pending investigation is correct and I applaud Warrington for doing so, whilst trusting the judicial (whether legal or RFL) to investigate.
Regardless of the club involved, if everyone followed this example then the bad-boy images mentioned earlier should dwindle......
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| If it was as clear cut as some on here think he would already have been “charged” clearly the CPS/police feel the matter has to be properly investigated before reaching any conclusion, but what do they know?
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