Pfft, you're welcome to that horrible little individual. Wouldn't want him back even if you paid us for the privilege.

I don't think we can really blame poor passing, lack of ball retention on fatigue. We have had 5 day turnarounds before, we had arguably the easiest semi final ,& the same poor handling skills & decision making have been with us all season ,longer in fact.

I think you need to retain kind, evans and russell in your 3/4 line for wembley

We probably will as there seems to be some stubbornness/childishness call it what you may in the background that we have better wingers than what are playing now but they won't.

horrible little individual

yes ive seen the dog story that went to court and he paid the price.

sounds like your current wingers arent cutting it either

no, the centre and the fullback aren't, but they were still preferable to gene, who was a 'specialist' winger.

Lineham is gash, but we've no idea why penny hasn't returned after his hamstring injury away at wakey.

We wouldn't know, Smith won't play them!

We aren't playing with any wingers, we've got a full back and a centre on the wings at present!

I think what we are seeing at Warrington re our current "wingers" is another chapter in TS hoping to produce a team of utility players , Jack of all trades, master of none.

There must be a reason why Penny has not been picked, and the implication that both him and Lineham have been put on the naughty step for late night shenanigans seems at least plausible. If they have, I have no problems with it, discipline needs to be maintained. But in the case of Lineham - are we missing him anyway ? The one question that does occur to me though, is whether Ormsby would have scored a try in the last minute against Saints using an acrobatic dive ?
I think he would.

Penny and Lineham are carrying injuries. They are "nearly there" hence why they make the 19 (incase somebody has to pull out) but not 100%. TS has obviously made the call not to put them into these games and let them get match-fit through the reserves. As regards ormsby and an acrobatic dive .............. no, the launch point would have been too far out, likely to result in him being pushed out. Would an out-and-out winger have headed to the line quicker off the mark and with more initial launch speed....... possibly.

Penny / Ormsby would more likey scored that try (although Evans was pretty close!).

There's a real technique to diving into the corner in that way that a number of wingers have developed since they got rid of the rule that contact with the corner flag meant you were in touch. Get your legs and backside high in the air with your legs and feet outside the whitewash away from the oncoming tackler.

Evans left his legs within reach and close enough to the ground for his foot to be grounded.

We ought to start looking to forwards to do the forwards work. Instead of having Penny and Lineman take up the first 2 or even 3 carries every set of 6, and perhaps they wouldn't sustain injuries.!?

I think that is a fair point. Against the big packs of Hull, Cats and Saints players like Russell are an important weapon in bringing us back up the field, in fact you can argue that is Russell's main role. So rather than treating the symptoms we should be curing the underlying problem and ensuring our pack (props) can compete. If we lost Hill for 3 months through injury how much go-forward would we have ?